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this hope radio for the masses Atlanta

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between July 8 1947

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beyond the airport with has announced

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that applying the - found and is now in

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the possession of the RA the game is

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rigged changed the game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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two black with your host Jimmy church on

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the game-changer Radio Network and a GRA

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I need your help to get to the

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you are listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game change in that

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well well well welcome fade to black

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Matt said

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how you doing today's Monday September

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24 2018 270 days into the new year just

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95 days left we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of

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downtown Burbank Californian I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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and tinder to and fro back and forth up

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and down east and west north and south

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far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer network and KCRA the

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I'm your host Jimmy Church what is

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crackin everybody how you do it Monday

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yeah nothing like getting back in the

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you know what Frieda and I did last

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night

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went over to our brother's house with

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night vision on the patio that's how you

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do it Benny breaking the family one at a

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saw something too that was someone's

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even better

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but anyway it's Monday back in the chair

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so good to be here with all of you got

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an amazing week lined up on fade to

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and let's let's just go over that right

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now we move things around this week

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we're gonna do four shows and four

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nights what we always do four shows in

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four nights but we're doing four shows

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in four nights and what I mean by that

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is no Fator night this week

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that's right we are doing four straight

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shows okay and so what we're gonna do

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this week tonight very excited we've

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been working on all of this for quite a

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tonight Mitch Horowitz is here and we're

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gonna talk about his new work at the

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miracle club how thoughts become reality

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and we've got a lot of things to talk

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about with Mitch tonight and the book is

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just a part of it he's a very dynamic

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author and researcher and and a public

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speaker very cool guy and lots to do

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with Mitch and I'm gonna get all of it

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in tonight the best that I can so that's

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tonight tomorrow night John Greenwald is

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gonna be here we're gonna talk about the

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recent documents on the Japan Airlines

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UFO incident and also a new document

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Freedom of Information Act concerning a

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tip so that is tomorrow night big show

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tomorrow night with John Greenwald

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Wednesday night Julia mas Bridge is

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going to be here PhD and we're gonna

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talk about Precog and time travel with

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her new book the premonition code which

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I have here it's it's a great book so

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Wednesday and if that wasn't enough kids

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that wasn't enough Thursday night

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brace yourselves Dean Radin is here I

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have been wanting to have a conversation

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with Dean Radin for years finally

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Thursday night Dean Radin is on fade to

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black so how was that that is I tweeted

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it out it's like that what an amazing

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you got Mitch Horowitz John Greenwald

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Julia MA spurts and Dean Radin all in

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one week somebody pinch me I love my job

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so there you go no fader night this week

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but we're rewarding you with four shows

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four nights for amazing guests four for

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four all right all right on stellar you

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through it all with a social media if

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it's moi and going all the way back to

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those first that's right I see those

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first during the show wait wait wait

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wait wait Murph why did you post why did

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you post Princess Bride here it's not

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somebody's birthday that I didn't know

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about I need to know and Frankie where

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was this picture taken that's a pretty

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cool shot right there I dig that shirt

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sandbox gonna be a few thousand tweets

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tonight posted right there from all of

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day today today was one of those news

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days where I didn't read nothing

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you got the Department of Justice right

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China's sanctions you got the next

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you got Facebook you got spies spies

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versus spies and so I jumped around

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today looking at these headlines this is

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what I did I jumped around so I went a

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little bit to Europe you know I went

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over to Asia went down South America a

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little bit Central America jumped around

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and looked at even went to Hong Kong

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Asia jumped over there and the headlines

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around the world are all covering the

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same things I just told you the China

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sanctions Department of Justice all the

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stuff and and and so I just thought

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what are they saying about this and it

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turns out that the news outlets around

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the world are covering the same news the

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same headlines but they don't have the

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same information some spin on it and

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it's really funny where do you go you

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know if you read the body of the news

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copy from each news source

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none of it says the same thing so which

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stories got it right which news outlet

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it doesn't matter the only thing that

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they did get right today that Bill Cosby

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didn't get sentenced his hearing

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continues tomorrow but one news headline

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that got through everything and you

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probably didn't read paleontologists in

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China have discovered a new species of

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fossil bird that they say reveals a

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pivotal point in the evolution of flight

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when birds had lost the long bony tail

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seeing a dinosaur's like the

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Tyrannosaurus but before they had

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today you should see the fossil it's

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amazing about the size of a modern crow

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the species had wide short wings and

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they probably just flew from tree to

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tree right but there you go you need to

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check it out 127 million years old all

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guys birthday today Jim Henson 1936

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tonight

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t90 died so young at the age of 53 and

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with the Muppets Henson changed the

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world but he sealed the deal with the

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movie labyrinth Jim if you're listening

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happy birthday on this day in history

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2016 terrorists gunman attacks the Pulte

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nightclub in Orlando Florida killing 49

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people and at the same time at that time

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it was the deadliest mass shooting in

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modern US history but that status would

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change almost exactly a year later in

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Las Vegas on October 1st 2017 Fader fact

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vetted Fader fact catnip catnip is 10

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times more effective at repelling

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mosquitoes than DEET that's right DEET

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is the main and most commonly used

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ingredient in insect repellents scratch

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that stuff just rub catnip all over your

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body and you know what all the cats in

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the neighborhood are gonna love you too

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tonight very special guests

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Mitch Horowitz is here be with us at the

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bottom of the hour gonna talk about his

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new book The Miracle Club but not only

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that he covers just a little bit

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everything he's really good so the

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conversation is going to be very

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free-flowing to my tonight tomorrow

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night John Greenwald is here we're going

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to talk about the Japan Airlines UFO

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incident as well as the the latest and

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only document to be released in the

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Freedom of Information Act concerning a

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tip Wednesday night Julia Moss bridge is

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here we're going to talk about time

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travel and precognition her new book is

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called the premonition code Thursday

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night Dean Radin I can't believe it Dean

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Radin dr. Dean Radin PhD right here

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unfaded lack all right no fate or night

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this week we've got four shows for nine

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right now the one the only

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Ronnie McMullen Ronnie good evening my

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friend how are you how you doing Jimmy

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friend of ours and I'm referring to our

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fader not family the fade to black

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family that a friend of ours had a plane

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crash in his backyard and I didn't want

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to tell anybody who I don't want you to

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get bothered but Ronnie that was you how

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are you doing you know living and

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breathing I mean it was tough it was

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I visualized the whole thing you know a

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lot of the articles will say other

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people were at home and that's quite a

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lie and I love it you know said the

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police you know right that's the first

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problem right there but you know it it's

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I just feel bad for the pilot it cost

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him his life and you know to see all the

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issues that went on was was tough it was

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really tough you just you kind of think

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you know and I was telling somebody

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today you know I have I have a nice

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backyard that's kind of like my Zen area

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I've got trees and fruit trees and you

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know roses and it's just really

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beautiful fountain all that kind of

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stuff and you have an airplane crash in

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your backyard and all of a sudden the

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word safe goes right out the window

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right of course of course

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well the pilot what happened he first of

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all the the the engine quit and so he

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was dropping altitude quickly he topped

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my garage I I've got a two-story garage

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he topped my garage took the tile off

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one in and that kind of tilted him to

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the left it put his running gear in my

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workout room and

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then he cartwheeled into my backyard so

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I when I was looking out the sliding

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glass window which you know I don't

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stand at the sliding glass window all

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day so it's just everything was very

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weird all I saw was this white that

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that's all I saw because I was looking

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at the underbelly of the plane mm-hmm

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and it just was strange because you know

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ten minutes before that I was taking my

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dogs out to go do their business and I

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was standing the exact place that the

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plane landed ten minutes before you know

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so timing is so incredible I was in the

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workout room 20 minutes before so just

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strange you know it makes you think

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about life and appreciate life well it

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does of course I talked to you right

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after the crash and you had told me that

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the pilot and we'll get to that part in

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a second but that the pilot was that the

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fire department in the ambulance got

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there in about five minutes you said

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that that was just amazing they got

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there right away and then they evacuated

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the pilot and you didn't know the status

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of the pilot did he survive no excuse me

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he passed away 80% of his body was

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burned what I talked to in my back yard

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was probably adrenaline even though he

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was answering correctly and his words

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were I'm toast and I said no you're not

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and of course you know he didn't look

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good and I said no you're not and I said

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I gotta get you out of here cuz the

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plane at that point was on fire and it

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was about you know maybe 10 feet away

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and I I was thinking if that thing's

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empty of fuel because obviously it

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cruised in here on no motor if it's

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empty of fuel it's a bomb and you know I

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headed there it was it crashed right

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next to an outbuilding that I had it was

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you know all wood so if that exploded

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it would send wood bullets into who

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knows where so I was trying to get him I

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said let me help you and I'll you know

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and he goes please don't touch me how

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old was he

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70 in fact it was three days he'd be 71

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so he was almost 70

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one years old and he was a fighter pilot

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he flew cargo 727s he was a flight

364
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instructor we're not talking this guy

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was a hero in you know everything he did

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and and a friend has came over my house

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couple days later and I said you know

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you wouldn't happen to have a picture of

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him would you

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and he goes yeah you want a picture yeah

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I'll show you a picture so he showed me

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three one

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he's smiling ear-to-ear teaching his

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granddaughter to fly another one he's

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just looking at the camera cuz he's

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flying he's a smiley and another one

377
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when I saw all the three pictures I

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thought he was completely smiling so

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I've had a few people say well at least

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he died doing what he loved because he

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loved to fly he said he said that he was

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toast and I know that I mean there's two

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things that come into play there one you

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anybody is going to want to assist and

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and perform rescue and and and help

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somebody survive and then the other part

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of it is officially all of the emergency

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services tell you do not move anybody

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that's been in a crash that you could

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potentially harm that more than they'll

391
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return yeah so you're kind of stuck

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there me well you have to you have to

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preserve life though and for me like

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that's it he's not going to be here I'm

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not going to be here if that plane blows

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up but when he said please don't touch

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me and he you know and I thought it was

398
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interesting he didn't say don't touch me

399
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he said please don't touch me hmm and I

400
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thought how interesting you know you're

401
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doing terrible and you have manners you

402
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know most people have no manners and

403
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they're fine

404
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yes that's weird right so he's like

405
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please don't touch me he said it twice

406
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and so I thought you know and like I

407
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said he didn't look good and so I was

408
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like you know I had to go see if there's

409
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any other dead body

410
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it was probably ten ten to fifteen

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minutes ten to twelve minutes maybe that

412
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the fire department showed up and the

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police officers they they stuck around

414
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and did nothing but the the fire

415
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department was top-notch and so was

416
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emergency people taking him away you

417
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have nothing but good to say about it

418
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true first responders in my opinion you

419
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know if you can't be a part of fixing it

420
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get the flip out of the way yeah I know

421
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we don't need six cops from who knows

422
00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:01,830
we're standing there with their arms

423
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fold and that's what I saw and it just

424
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torqued me I was like you know I wanted

425
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to say get off my piss is private

426
00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:08,340
property get out of here but you know

427
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that probably wouldn't go over real well

428
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so but I it was it was you know was a

429
00:22:21,170 --> 00:22:19,050
tough incident and I'm sorry you know

430
00:22:24,380 --> 00:22:21,180
that day because it happened about 10:30

431
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in the morning and that day I was asking

432
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God why this happened I mean you know

433
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:30,570
you look at him I think we were talking

434
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off air about the chances of having the

435
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airplane flying your backyard one in a

436
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million one in trillion one in a billion

437
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whatever the numbers are right but it's

438
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rare and I was asking God you know I

439
00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:44,340
don't take things like I go this is a

440
00:22:48,530 --> 00:22:46,440
coincidence or I don't take things for

441
00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:48,540
granted I just I think there's a message

442
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and everything that goes on so I was

443
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:52,470
like what what are you saying god you're

444
00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:54,210
trying to tell me something because I

445
00:22:58,850 --> 00:22:56,220
could have been dead my workers out

446
00:23:01,100 --> 00:22:58,860
there could have been dead it could have

447
00:23:04,820 --> 00:23:01,110
been so much worse so what are you

448
00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:04,830
saying to me and and I just I I really

449
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:09,720
felt this sense of knowing after I asked

450
00:23:14,420 --> 00:23:11,250
that and it didn't come quick by the way

451
00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:14,430
hours afterwards almost like I needed to

452
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:17,820
keep thinking about it but after X

453
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:19,770
amount hours went by I just had this

454
00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:24,090
knowing that I felt like God said you

455
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need to celebrate life more with your

456
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friends and your family everyday because

457
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you don't know how short life is you

458
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know obviously you know who's who thinks

459
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they're going to wake up but you know

460
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:39,600
and be in their house you know and I

461
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making my phone call

462
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I wasn't doing my work and and all of a

463
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sudden BAM you know here comes this

464
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planning and of course there was no

465
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motor because it had quit so it flew in

466
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quietly and just you know just so you

467
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don't know and we we get in the car

468
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everyday oh let's go to in-n-out burger

469
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yeah you know we don't know what's gonna

470
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happen we won't come back that's right

471
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we need to enjoy our family and our

472
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friends and appreciate what's around us

473
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you know even our dog's our animals

474
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whatever we need to and that's that's

475
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kind of what I got Ronnie you're paying

476
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:15,690
too much attention to this you need to

477
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pay attention to this mmm because all

478
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this over here means nothing and all

479
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this over here means everything

480
00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:34,010
you cannot go tell somebody that's gone

481
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what you think you need to tell them out

482
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you know so many people don't say hey I

483
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love you--as do you know that you know

484
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and I I'll never forget when I told my

485
00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:46,230
best friend one day I said I needed you

486
00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:48,510
to know in case you know we were like 18

487
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:51,270
19 years old I said I need to tell you

488
00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:53,010
something he goes what what's going on

489
00:24:58,730 --> 00:24:56,630
what will tell me and I said I love you

490
00:25:01,960 --> 00:24:58,740
and he's like you know made all these

491
00:25:04,460 --> 00:25:01,970
very directory comments and I said no no

492
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you're like a brother to me and I love

493
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:05,520
you you need to know that in case

494
00:25:09,250 --> 00:25:07,530
anything ever happens you need to know

495
00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:09,260
that you need to know that in your soul

496
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,470
and he started crying and he goes man

497
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:14,880
you're getting all mushy on me I don't

498
00:25:19,580 --> 00:25:16,860
know how to do this I said I don't

499
00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:19,590
either but I know I appreciate you and I

500
00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:22,260
need you to know that and you probably

501
00:25:26,780 --> 00:25:24,360
do but just in case it's good to hear it

502
00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:26,790
right all right and I think that's what

503
00:25:30,290 --> 00:25:29,580
his brought out is you know I've held my

504
00:25:38,050 --> 00:25:30,300
grandsons

505
00:25:44,780 --> 00:25:42,170
I think the message is so important and

506
00:25:45,530 --> 00:25:44,790
not only I mean the obvious is the

507
00:25:48,170 --> 00:25:45,540
obvious

508
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:48,180
Ronnie which is you never know right

509
00:25:52,580 --> 00:25:50,970
life is too short you you wake up in the

510
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,590
morning and you live it like it's your

511
00:25:55,550 --> 00:25:53,760
last day on

512
00:25:58,220 --> 00:25:55,560
earth man and you do that every day we

513
00:26:01,040 --> 00:25:58,230
hear that over and over again and we get

514
00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:01,050
a little bit too used to that you know

515
00:26:06,740 --> 00:26:03,240
but when something like that

516
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:06,750
instantly happens completely and when it

517
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:09,900
does of course you're surprised because

518
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,090
if you were expecting it then it's a

519
00:26:17,780 --> 00:26:15,120
different situation but we need to

520
00:26:23,030 --> 00:26:17,790
sometimes hear it from you and from our

521
00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:23,040
friends about how how how precious you

522
00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:25,710
know every second is I did I did a thing

523
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:30,420
Ronnie us as a few years ago but I

524
00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:34,650
started to look at how many days you

525
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:37,860
live if you live to 70 right how many

526
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:39,450
days is that and I would throw that

527
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:41,910
question out to people and that

528
00:26:48,380 --> 00:26:44,580
everybody got it wrong the answer right

529
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,390
and then but you start to when you get

530
00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:51,120
up to a certain age forty fifty years

531
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:53,910
old and now you're looking at a very

532
00:26:59,440 --> 00:26:56,880
finite numbers if you make it to 70 or

533
00:27:04,510 --> 00:26:59,450
80 right well then you start to realize

534
00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:04,520
not only our days precious but minutes

535
00:27:11,060 --> 00:27:08,220
minutes are precious and it's it's

536
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:11,070
really really true and you don't want to

537
00:27:18,110 --> 00:27:13,770
be at some point in your life going you

538
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:18,120
know what man I regret being a dick you

539
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:20,850
know I regret being mean to that / I

540
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:25,020
regret somebody needed $20.00 and I

541
00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:28,290
would you know and I you know it's all

542
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:30,360
regret in one hand over that piece of

543
00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:32,100
paper that's right - oh right right

544
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right right I don't want to be that guy

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I just don't want to be that guy I don't

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want to live with any regrets man I I

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really don't and sometimes we need to be

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woken up and it sounds like sounds like

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you had a moment of self-reflection with

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your grandson and your wife and you look

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around and go whoa you know and we need

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to hear that Ronnie thank you for

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sharing that well I yeah I'm just you

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know and I think about things you know

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it's kind of like I carry a hundred

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dollar bill in my wallet

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all the time and the reason it's folded

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up in my wallet a special place and this

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started a couple years ago was when I

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see somebody in need that I was to give

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that hundred dollars no questions asked

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no you know and when you give some you

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know hundred dollars to somebody you

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don't know you know sometimes it's tough

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because you're like oh well they might

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go out on drink they might go out so you

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know we get very judgmental instead of

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just going here and so this has been

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kind of a training system for me as to

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and what's funny is you know it's not

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like you I do it every time I go out but

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like you know maybe a few months ago bah

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I and I haven't done it and I'll feel

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this inner voice a you're not looking

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hard enough so in other words there's

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need but I'm not paying attention to

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right right right right

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alright and it's low like oh my gosh you

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know and that's when I started then you

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start looking and then it you know it's

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it's really a positive energy that when

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you do it I mean I could tell you

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stories and we won't go into that but

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it's just so it's a ghost it all goes

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together appreciating doing things for

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other people you know and that's what

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makes us feel good you know is is being

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helped you know and real quickly you

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know had somebody come in my backyard

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during the crash and they they were a

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nuisance they thought they were helping

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that King gave orders like they were

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some kind of police officer or fire crew

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or whatever and everything you know he

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at one point get a blanket let's you

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know we'll wrap the guy you'll wrap the

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guy he's burnt it'll stick to him like

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cellophane hmm you know people if you

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don't know what you're doing don't act

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like you do mmm-hmm you know what I mean

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but as soon as the firefighters were

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there and I was backing out of the way

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get out of the way let them do their

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thing they don't need me gawking and

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watching and no you know so anyway but

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yeah it's it's interesting what hard

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times will bring kind of brings your

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wisdom sometimes well that's why you

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helping others it's what you're about

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Ronnie and just thank you for that and

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friend and don't ever change

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thank you I appreciate it Jimmy Ronnie

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you're the best and I and I say it every

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every single time you're on the show but

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black I'm your host Jimmy church that is

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Ronnie McMullen I'm gonna get out of

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here when I come back after this short

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break Mitch Horowitz is here stay with

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in hosting me Church tonight

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Mitch Horowitz is here what a great week

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we have lined up on the show tomorrow

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night John Greenwald is gonna be here

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from the black vault Wednesday night

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Julia Moss bridge ph.d is going to be

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here Thursday night Dean Radin PhD what

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a great week we've got lined up but

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tonight it's Mitch Horowitz I've been

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looking forward to this show for for

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quite a while he's a writer in residence

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at the New York Public Library

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pen award-winning author of books

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including a cult America we're gonna

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talk about that tonight one simple idea

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how positive thinking reshaped a modern

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life mind as a builder and his newest

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work is the miracle club how thoughts

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become reality he has written on

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everything from the war on witches to

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the secret life of Ronald Reagan we're

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going to get to that tube as well today

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for the New York Times Wall Street

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Journal the Washington Post a long time

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in Politico he has discussed alternative

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spirituality on CBS Sunday morning

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Dateline NBC CNN and throughout the

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national media he hosted the show's

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master's class and one simple idea on

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the new thought channel and his work has

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been censored in China but of course it

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has I'd like to welcome to fade to black

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for the first time

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Mitch Horowitz Mitch good evening man

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how are you thank you man great to be

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here it's great to have you and before

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we move forward you get the first-time

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guests

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disclaimer Mitch are you ready for that

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oh I've been waiting for this okay here

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we know it's sitting on my couch having

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conversations as friends and where the

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends but we're gonna lose

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friends alright there you go see that

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was painless it was a couple of things

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before we get started dessert I'm gonna

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get to personal questions out of the way

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and then we'll start with the fun you've

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got a look you've got an image right and

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and so it's it's it's one

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rebel right it's one of its certainly

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modern but you've got you've got to look

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in an image and then you are writing

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with intellect doesn't it kind of

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clashes with the image but it works too

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as well where were you this way as a kid

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you know and then you've just you happen

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to be a writer and a journalist today I

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was definitely that way as a kid you

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know I always experimented with

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different looks the first time I'll

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never forget I was growing up in the

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1970s in Queens New York and the very

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first time I saw a picture of Elvis in

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his white jumpsuit I felt like I was

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looking at this mysterious Archangel

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it's like he stepped right out of the

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pages of The Secret Doctrine and he was

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a fan of Madame Blavatsky and he

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actually took some inspiration for his

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costume design from her and I just saw

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that and I thought yes and I liked

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everything about him the leather and the

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jumpsuits and everything so ever since I

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was a kid I guess I always had a flair

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for the theatrical flame Elvis okay and

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music what did you listen to growing up

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oh boy The Who

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The Clash and the Dead Kennedys that was

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the Holy Trinity you know what that's

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all connected I can yeah I can go with

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that

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I I thought you were gonna throw in the

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germs I was it might be a bit of a reach

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but but yeah I see all of that in you

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and you need to sometimes how do I want

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to say this you got to push the envelope

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in your personal life growing up and

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test the waters a little bit and then

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yeah it teaches you a little bit about

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know so I was born under Mercury

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retrograde the cycle of Mercury

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cycle you get younger as you age in

813
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:15,020
certain ways so I feel more like myself

814
00:40:21,490 --> 00:40:18,170
today at the age of 52 than I did at age

815
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:21,500
22 honestly and so I have to hand that

816
00:40:25,630 --> 00:40:23,690
to Mercury retrograde what do you think

817
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:25,640
when you're out doing public speaking

818
00:40:27,870 --> 00:40:27,410
are you going to do a book signing or

819
00:40:29,549 --> 00:40:27,880
whatever

820
00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:29,559
doing your thing you have those out

821
00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:32,200
there that know who you are and your

822
00:40:35,370 --> 00:40:33,880
image right but you've got people out

823
00:40:36,569 --> 00:40:35,380
there that maybe have read the book and

824
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:36,579
they don't know they're invited by

825
00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:38,890
friends you get introduced and then you

826
00:40:44,549 --> 00:40:41,140
hit the stage wearing you know Doc

827
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:44,559
Martens and your sleeves you know I

828
00:40:48,990 --> 00:40:47,230
think I think very often people are

829
00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:49,000
relieved because we're so we're also

830
00:40:53,370 --> 00:40:51,670
tired of the whole Stuart Smalley look

831
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:53,380
you know the New Age man wearing the

832
00:40:58,589 --> 00:40:56,710
beige sweater speaking in the saccharine

833
00:41:00,029 --> 00:40:58,599
softer tones you know I don't like

834
00:41:02,490 --> 00:41:00,039
anybody to feel that they have to be put

835
00:41:04,859 --> 00:41:02,500
into some kind of a box and I feel like

836
00:41:07,049 --> 00:41:04,869
New Age culture is on the brink of

837
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:07,059
caricature in itself maybe it past that

838
00:41:12,569 --> 00:41:09,849
brink you know several years ago and I

839
00:41:14,490 --> 00:41:12,579
think we should all be able to kind of

840
00:41:15,749 --> 00:41:14,500
dialogue with one another without

841
00:41:17,220 --> 00:41:15,759
expecting that there's a certain

842
00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:17,230
cultural place that you're going to come

843
00:41:20,370 --> 00:41:19,000
from so you know very often people are

844
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:20,380
kind of relieved by it because I'm

845
00:41:25,049 --> 00:41:22,569
talking about some sort of mystical or

846
00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:25,059
spiritual topic people are so accustomed

847
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:27,670
to the scent of frankincense in the air

848
00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:30,160
and somebody who's dressed like Stevie

849
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:31,990
Nicks no disrespect to Stevie Nicks

850
00:41:36,990 --> 00:41:34,569
who I love but you know we can go beyond

851
00:41:38,759 --> 00:41:37,000
that we don't have to be wearing robes

852
00:41:40,589 --> 00:41:38,769
and beads all the time and I think it's

853
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:40,599
healthy to break out of that mold yeah I

854
00:41:44,609 --> 00:41:43,599
you know those stereotypes even and

855
00:41:48,990 --> 00:41:44,619
you're so right about that

856
00:41:50,999 --> 00:41:49,000
when you go out I speak at a lot of UFO

857
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:51,009
conferences right and conspiracy

858
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:54,450
conferences and I go out and the that

859
00:41:58,799 --> 00:41:56,710
stereotypes certainly and it was

860
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:58,809
deserved from the from the Saudis and

861
00:42:05,069 --> 00:42:02,079
from the 80s of gray-haired older

862
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:05,079
generations and that there there are no

863
00:42:10,170 --> 00:42:07,569
youngsters there they don't get today I

864
00:42:14,190 --> 00:42:10,180
go to these conferences and I have to

865
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:14,200
say it's equally divided I've got my

866
00:42:22,759 --> 00:42:17,410
young fans and old fans but the genre

867
00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:22,769
itself I look out and I see throngs of

868
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,380
Annex Jen you know it's right there and

869
00:42:31,549 --> 00:42:28,240
I love it and they know more about

870
00:42:34,289 --> 00:42:31,559
ufology and history than I do

871
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:34,299
definitely our culture is opening up you

872
00:42:37,140 --> 00:42:35,410
know you're starting to see more

873
00:42:40,049 --> 00:42:37,150
dreadlocks you're starting to see more

874
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:40,059
leather you're starting to see more Doc

875
00:42:43,620 --> 00:42:41,740
Martens it's it's not just

876
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:43,630
the same old crowd dressed in corduroys

877
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:46,510
speaking in singsong new-age tones and I

878
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:47,770
don't want to put too much emphasis on

879
00:42:52,109 --> 00:42:49,990
the outter because my feeling is you

880
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:52,119
know people should just dress however

881
00:42:55,830 --> 00:42:53,650
they most feel comfortable but it's nice

882
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:55,840
to see the stereotype cracking up yeah

883
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:56,530
that's right

884
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:01,119
and not to harp on this but I have often

885
00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:04,330
said you know to the to the older crowd

886
00:43:10,109 --> 00:43:07,240
don't be intimidated go up and hang out

887
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:10,119
with the kids absolutely you know they

888
00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:13,510
they want to talk to you too and you

889
00:43:18,270 --> 00:43:15,060
always find that you know the nicest

890
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:18,280
brightest most capable kids you meet are

891
00:43:22,290 --> 00:43:20,410
kids who are into goth culture or are

892
00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:22,300
kids who have like a death metal look

893
00:43:26,490 --> 00:43:24,580
because they're the Seekers you know and

894
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,500
they wear that as a uniform to kind of

895
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,480
signal being Outsiders but it doesn't

896
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:30,160
mean they're not approachable quite the

897
00:43:33,090 --> 00:43:31,690
opposite when I hear from parents who

898
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:33,100
are concerned because their teens are

899
00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:34,800
getting into goth or death metal I

900
00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:37,240
congratulate them because those kids are

901
00:43:40,290 --> 00:43:38,830
there The Outsiders in the best sense

902
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:40,300
they're the Seekers and I love them

903
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,050
that's exactly right and now my second

904
00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:47,440
question before we get started I like

905
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:51,190
the personal questions we absolutely we

906
00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:56,710
can is the acceptance of your subjects

907
00:44:04,320 --> 00:43:58,570
when you're talking about the occult or

908
00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:04,330
magic or new agey type of subjects but

909
00:44:08,340 --> 00:44:05,590
you're out there dealing with the

910
00:44:10,830 --> 00:44:08,350
mainstream media and you know book

911
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:10,840
publisher that is standing behind you

912
00:44:14,849 --> 00:44:12,730
you're out there doing has the

913
00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:14,859
mainstream media changed are they

914
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:17,800
starting to embrace some of these fringe

915
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:21,010
topics that were taboo in the past you

916
00:44:25,230 --> 00:44:22,510
know I have to give me a yes and yes and

917
00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:25,240
no to that I mean to some extent we have

918
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,640
seen certain breakthroughs the New York

919
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:29,920
Times over the past year has reported

920
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,290
more seriously on UFO phenomena than

921
00:44:37,170 --> 00:44:34,480
they have any time over the past decades

922
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:37,180
so there have been certain openings what

923
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:39,490
I will find is that if you can connect

924
00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:41,650
with mainstream media folks on things

925
00:44:46,980 --> 00:44:43,900
that they found fascinating when they

926
00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:46,990
were kids then you can find sort of a

927
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:49,390
basis to dialogue with them every kid at

928
00:44:53,970 --> 00:44:50,890
one point or another grew up with a

929
00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:53,980
fascination of around flying saucers or

930
00:44:57,090 --> 00:44:55,030
Bigfoot or the

931
00:44:58,740 --> 00:44:57,100
Ness monster or what were those what

932
00:45:00,330 --> 00:44:58,750
were those twigs cracking in the woods

933
00:45:01,620 --> 00:45:00,340
you know or something strange that

934
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:01,630
happened to them when they were a kid I

935
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:03,760
will find people who are hardcore

936
00:45:08,190 --> 00:45:06,550
mainstream people who will come up to me

937
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:08,200
and tell me you know I'm I'm not into

938
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:10,330
your subject matter at all but I do have

939
00:45:14,310 --> 00:45:12,730
to tell you about a time where I had

940
00:45:15,690 --> 00:45:14,320
this clairvoyant dream and I'll start

941
00:45:17,730 --> 00:45:15,700
talking to me about something that's

942
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:17,740
more wild than anything I might have

943
00:45:22,140 --> 00:45:19,330
been speaking about from the podium so

944
00:45:23,940 --> 00:45:22,150
if you can catch people sort of out of

945
00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:23,950
uniform so to speak if you can catch

946
00:45:27,690 --> 00:45:26,020
people and talk to them about something

947
00:45:30,330 --> 00:45:27,700
that enchanted them when they were a kid

948
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:30,340
or just some very strange thing like a

949
00:45:34,380 --> 00:45:32,710
prophetic dream or an ESP experience

950
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:34,390
that they had that they wanted to

951
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:36,730
disclose to someone they can open up to

952
00:45:40,350 --> 00:45:38,650
you but then when they get back to their

953
00:45:42,270 --> 00:45:40,360
tribe and they gather around the water

954
00:45:44,310 --> 00:45:42,280
cooler Monday morning so to speak

955
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:44,320
they'll deny at all there is still a

956
00:45:48,420 --> 00:45:46,570
pervasive cynicism that you also find

957
00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:48,430
within the mainstream media and I find

958
00:45:53,550 --> 00:45:51,550
that a real drag because I always will

959
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:53,560
reach this point when I'm talking to a

960
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:57,040
producer or a reporter or an NPR host or

961
00:46:01,200 --> 00:45:58,240
somebody you would think of as being

962
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:01,210
very mainstream where you know when we

963
00:46:05,850 --> 00:46:03,490
get off the sociological and we start to

964
00:46:07,470 --> 00:46:05,860
talk in terms of belief sometimes

965
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,480
they'll get very uncomfortable because I

966
00:46:11,340 --> 00:46:09,280
do classify myself as a believing

967
00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:11,350
historian and lots of historians in fact

968
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:13,390
are believing historians they don't wear

969
00:46:16,890 --> 00:46:14,650
that label because they think it's

970
00:46:18,270 --> 00:46:16,900
compromising but I try to be open and

971
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:18,280
honest with people that I'm also a

972
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:19,330
personal Explorer

973
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:21,310
with in the occult subject matter that I

974
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:24,250
write about and they sometimes find that

975
00:46:28,830 --> 00:46:26,110
difficult to take you know that's that's

976
00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:28,840
a battle that that still has to be so

977
00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:30,700
has to be struggled with but again the

978
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:33,670
irony is if you look at most religious

979
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:35,350
histories for example coming out of

980
00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:37,810
Judaism Catholicism where the new

981
00:46:42,030 --> 00:46:39,880
religions like Mormonism or different

982
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:42,040
branches of Protestant Protestantism

983
00:46:47,310 --> 00:46:44,710
almost always the individual historian

984
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:47,320
is a congregant within the ranks of

985
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:48,850
those faiths and if you press that

986
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:50,890
person they would concede to you they

987
00:46:55,350 --> 00:46:53,400
are believing historian I volunteer that

988
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:55,360
because I want people to know where I'm

989
00:46:58,830 --> 00:46:57,370
coming from it just so happens that the

990
00:47:01,500 --> 00:46:58,840
material I'm dealing with is more

991
00:47:03,450 --> 00:47:01,510
outsider material but almost every

992
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:03,460
historian is coming from some sort of a

993
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:05,290
congregational perspective some sort of

994
00:47:08,859 --> 00:47:07,690
critical sympathy for his or her subject

995
00:47:11,620 --> 00:47:08,869
matter when they're writing about

996
00:47:12,609 --> 00:47:11,630
religion usually are but that's a battle

997
00:47:14,859 --> 00:47:12,619
that's thoughts to be fought in the

998
00:47:18,009 --> 00:47:14,869
mainstream right right right and are you

999
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:18,019
suggesting which I think it's kind of my

1000
00:47:23,049 --> 00:47:21,890
belief that those outlets certainly like

1001
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:23,059
the New York Times or The Washington

1002
00:47:28,779 --> 00:47:25,490
Post's are CNN or Fox when they suddenly

1003
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:28,789
start covering a subject like UFOs that

1004
00:47:35,230 --> 00:47:31,369
they ridiculed you know cue the x-files

1005
00:47:38,009 --> 00:47:35,240
music right in the past suddenly taking

1006
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:38,019
it serious do you think that that is

1007
00:47:43,329 --> 00:47:41,119
those journalists always believed in

1008
00:47:46,089 --> 00:47:43,339
UFOs but now suddenly they have the

1009
00:47:50,259 --> 00:47:46,099
opportunity to to come out of the closet

1010
00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:50,269
if you will in some cases I I definitely

1011
00:47:55,059 --> 00:47:51,640
have met journalists in the mainstream

1012
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:55,069
who are looking for an opportunity where

1013
00:47:58,450 --> 00:47:56,930
there's a first safe zone to discuss

1014
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,460
this subject whether they were on a safe

1015
00:48:02,859 --> 00:48:00,079
zone and if you can supply them with

1016
00:48:04,450 --> 00:48:02,869
that safe zone where they feel like you

1017
00:48:07,089 --> 00:48:04,460
know you come to the table with serious

1018
00:48:08,890 --> 00:48:07,099
bona fides you're not gonna push them

1019
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,900
you know out beyond the margins on

1020
00:48:13,180 --> 00:48:10,880
certain issues then they're willing to

1021
00:48:14,890 --> 00:48:13,190
disclose things but just the same the

1022
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:14,900
mainstream can also slam closed the door

1023
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,970
after the New York Times reported I

1024
00:48:21,009 --> 00:48:18,559
thought very gallantly and very bravely

1025
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,019
on some of the Pentagon Air Force UFO

1026
00:48:26,499 --> 00:48:23,839
sightings that we have on video one of

1027
00:48:28,569 --> 00:48:26,509
their colonists rasta thwaite wrote a

1028
00:48:30,579 --> 00:48:28,579
column talking about how this is all

1029
00:48:33,339 --> 00:48:30,589
fantasy this is all unicorn land this

1030
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:33,349
all fairy tale land and he cited the

1031
00:48:39,130 --> 00:48:36,650
work to back up his point of view of one

1032
00:48:40,809 --> 00:48:39,140
of my intellectual heroes and a close

1033
00:48:43,329 --> 00:48:40,819
friend of mine Jacques Vallee the great

1034
00:48:46,569 --> 00:48:43,339
UFO researcher UFO theorists and

1035
00:48:49,269 --> 00:48:46,579
actually jacque's theories on on UFOs is

1036
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,279
that they're interdimensional and you

1037
00:48:53,499 --> 00:48:50,960
know some of the things that that this

1038
00:48:55,630 --> 00:48:53,509
columnist was trying to sort of rundown

1039
00:48:57,729 --> 00:48:55,640
about the far-out views that you find

1040
00:49:00,220 --> 00:48:57,739
with the ufology or the New Age culture

1041
00:49:01,779 --> 00:49:00,230
and you know he's quoting Jacque without

1042
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:01,789
having really fully read his work and

1043
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,920
realizing that Jacques lends credence to

1044
00:49:07,150 --> 00:49:05,599
all kinds of things that go beyond

1045
00:49:09,249 --> 00:49:07,160
physicality that we know and we

1046
00:49:10,989 --> 00:49:09,259
understand so sometimes the mainstream

1047
00:49:12,460 --> 00:49:10,999
will crack open the door but then

1048
00:49:14,049 --> 00:49:12,470
they'll slam it or they'll attempt to

1049
00:49:16,329 --> 00:49:14,059
slam it closed just as quickly on your

1050
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:16,339
fingers yeah Ross got it all wrong if he

1051
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:18,410
ever met to play the rug yeah if he has

1052
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:20,690
a good job he read it maybe look elem in

1053
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:21,960
a week and write

1054
00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:23,910
the other guys work yeah you you meet

1055
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:25,740
jock and you look in his eyes and you

1056
00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:29,610
realize that he is actually an et you

1057
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:34,380
know that would change process be French

1058
00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:38,490
part but you know Jacques and Dean Radin

1059
00:49:42,830 --> 00:49:40,220
who you're having on later this week

1060
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:42,840
they're two the greatest influences on

1061
00:49:46,660 --> 00:49:45,180
me likewise Jeffrey crackle the

1062
00:49:49,310 --> 00:49:46,670
religious scholar at Rice University

1063
00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:49,320
people have just tremendous intellect

1064
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:51,480
but there's an adventurousness about

1065
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:53,160
them and they really know how to ask a

1066
00:49:57,770 --> 00:49:55,410
question and pursue it in a serious way

1067
00:49:59,720 --> 00:49:57,780
which is what I love I didn't know we

1068
00:50:02,090 --> 00:49:59,730
were gonna go off on a UFO tangent but

1069
00:50:04,340 --> 00:50:02,100
since we're here and since you since

1070
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:04,350
you're a New Yorker I have to ask you

1071
00:50:11,570 --> 00:50:08,160
this the the the New York Times is a

1072
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:11,580
very influential paper has been for a

1073
00:50:17,090 --> 00:50:13,770
long time and that article that came out

1074
00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:17,100
on that Saturday December 16th 2017

1075
00:50:22,580 --> 00:50:19,980
how did New Yorkers take it well you

1076
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:22,590
know there was a kind of amusement and

1077
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:25,500
there was a I think almost a little bit

1078
00:50:30,350 --> 00:50:28,290
of a denial you know quite frankly it

1079
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:30,360
wasn't as if you're making the rounds

1080
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:31,680
with the cocktail parties people were

1081
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:35,850
lucky if I was all of a sudden but I do

1082
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:38,520
think that it was an opening of a door

1083
00:50:42,020 --> 00:50:40,200
that can't be closed again I mean that

1084
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:42,030
reportage was serious reportage there

1085
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:43,890
was no irony there was no winking there

1086
00:50:48,290 --> 00:50:46,980
was no smirking and I I do think it

1087
00:50:50,930 --> 00:50:48,300
opened the door you know people are very

1088
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:50,940
slow to come around to these things I

1089
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:53,310
mean you know all across the country you

1090
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:54,630
know people are slow to come around to

1091
00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:55,650
these things we've made these

1092
00:50:59,480 --> 00:50:57,540
extraordinary discoveries just in our

1093
00:51:01,880 --> 00:50:59,490
generation that you know there could be

1094
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:01,890
in fact almost certainly as water on the

1095
00:51:06,050 --> 00:51:04,410
planet Mars for example 25 years ago

1096
00:51:09,530 --> 00:51:06,060
that would have sounded absurd and

1097
00:51:11,450 --> 00:51:09,540
people are slow to take on the gravity

1098
00:51:13,340 --> 00:51:11,460
of what that might mean that there might

1099
00:51:15,350 --> 00:51:13,350
that it might mean that within our own

1100
00:51:17,660 --> 00:51:15,360
solar system there are conditions

1101
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:17,670
conducive to life within our very own

1102
00:51:23,150 --> 00:51:20,490
solar system you know it's it's it's

1103
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:23,160
almost like it's uh pending of our

1104
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:24,720
conception of what it means to be human

1105
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:27,690
but it's so uh pending that it's slow to

1106
00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:29,910
sort of take root so I would say here in

1107
00:51:35,310 --> 00:51:32,670
New York it's it was noted but it's it's

1108
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:35,320
slow to take root you know it's such

1109
00:51:38,850 --> 00:51:37,210
there's such a cultural glacier that has

1110
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:38,860
to be moved for people to come to terms

1111
00:51:45,020 --> 00:51:41,440
with this well you bring up Dean Radin

1112
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:45,030
and one of the interesting things that

1113
00:51:50,430 --> 00:51:49,090
Dean has been out there forcing and him

1114
00:51:51,810 --> 00:51:50,440
and his colleagues there there were

1115
00:51:55,940 --> 00:51:51,820
others he's certainly not the only one

1116
00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:55,950
but the the science side of everything

1117
00:52:01,470 --> 00:51:59,170
that society and cultures have been

1118
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:01,480
talking about for thousands of years

1119
00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:06,490
right magic the other side life after

1120
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:11,730
death things right yeah and and suddenly

1121
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:16,170
science today is backing up and and

1122
00:52:21,390 --> 00:52:18,610
vindicating everything that you talked

1123
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:21,400
about Mitch everything that you write

1124
00:52:25,950 --> 00:52:24,490
about yes and our generation I really I

1125
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:25,960
really do believe that that our

1126
00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:29,110
generation is on a kind of precipice in

1127
00:52:32,970 --> 00:52:30,790
the way that the Victorians were

1128
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:32,980
standing on a precipice when the

1129
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:36,370
theories of Darwin began to take

1130
00:52:42,030 --> 00:52:38,770
precedence in the culture and and people

1131
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:42,040
it's not as if the Victorians jettisoned

1132
00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:43,210
their religious point of view it's not

1133
00:52:47,730 --> 00:52:45,310
as if the Victorians stopped believing

1134
00:52:49,580 --> 00:52:47,740
in God not at all but they had to see

1135
00:52:52,860 --> 00:52:49,590
themselves as part of a natural

1136
00:52:54,810 --> 00:52:52,870
evolutionary process of life it changed

1137
00:52:56,130 --> 00:52:54,820
their perspective on life it changed

1138
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:56,140
their perspective on what it meant to be

1139
00:53:01,320 --> 00:52:58,140
human and likewise in our generation

1140
00:53:03,690 --> 00:53:01,330
quantum physics studies into the placebo

1141
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:03,700
response advances in psychical research

1142
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:06,160
the pre cognitive research that Dean

1143
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:06,640
Radin

1144
00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:09,610
and Daryl BEM and others are doing it's

1145
00:53:13,710 --> 00:53:11,950
going to challenge our conception again

1146
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:13,720
of what it means to be human and this

1147
00:53:17,970 --> 00:53:15,730
time we're going to have to take a

1148
00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:17,980
second look and I think we are taking a

1149
00:53:22,530 --> 00:53:20,260
second look at what the mind really is

1150
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:22,540
what thought really is because we were

1151
00:53:26,610 --> 00:53:24,330
raised to believe that thought is

1152
00:53:27,450 --> 00:53:26,620
cognitive function and motor function

1153
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:27,460
and that's it

1154
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:29,050
that's that's thought thought it's

1155
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:30,910
making lists and thought is reaching out

1156
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:33,130
for your cup of coffee essentially and

1157
00:53:38,610 --> 00:53:36,130
yes we can of course you know bring to

1158
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:38,620
that complex analyses and so forth but

1159
00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:40,690
cognition and motor function are what

1160
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:44,550
thinking is and when the gray matter

1161
00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:47,920
diseases then then thought disappears

1162
00:53:51,870 --> 00:53:48,910
like

1163
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:51,880
in a glass of carbonated water it's all

1164
00:53:56,279 --> 00:53:54,400
gone but now we're coming to understand

1165
00:53:59,940 --> 00:53:56,289
that thought is extra physical that if

1166
00:54:02,759 --> 00:53:59,950
if we can marshal evidence for things

1167
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:02,769
like precognition or thought

1168
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:05,650
transference if we can ever and

1169
00:54:10,589 --> 00:54:08,710
continually deepen the mysteries of the

1170
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,599
placebo response which is what we're

1171
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:12,640
seeing in a film like neuroplasticity

1172
00:54:18,749 --> 00:54:16,200
we're literally seeing thought rewire

1173
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:18,759
the neural pathways in the brain it's

1174
00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:20,710
it's literal mind over matter we're

1175
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:22,390
starting to come to terms with the fact

1176
00:54:25,980 --> 00:54:24,130
that thought has an extra physical

1177
00:54:27,509 --> 00:54:25,990
dimension and the only people who are

1178
00:54:30,329 --> 00:54:27,519
denying that are people who just don't

1179
00:54:34,859 --> 00:54:30,339
know the scientific literature or who

1180
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:34,869
claim to a point of view that fears that

1181
00:54:39,930 --> 00:54:38,170
line of thought as irrational which is a

1182
00:54:41,609 --> 00:54:39,940
huge mistake because that line of

1183
00:54:45,749 --> 00:54:41,619
thought is where science is going the

1184
00:54:48,299 --> 00:54:45,759
whole quantum field is asking deepened

1185
00:54:50,999 --> 00:54:48,309
questions about the observer effect like

1186
00:54:52,620 --> 00:54:51,009
nothing we've seen in 80 years and our

1187
00:54:54,779 --> 00:54:52,630
generation is going to come to terms

1188
00:54:56,670 --> 00:54:54,789
with the fact that there's an extra

1189
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:56,680
physical dimension to thought and that's

1190
00:54:59,819 --> 00:54:58,690
what figures like like Dean Radin and

1191
00:55:02,999 --> 00:54:59,829
others are doing that's what they're

1192
00:55:06,089 --> 00:55:03,009
opening up I find it fascinating when I

1193
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:06,099
hear somebody go dude I can't believe

1194
00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:08,410
you just called me I've been thinking

1195
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:11,380
about you that's amazing but I don't

1196
00:55:20,220 --> 00:55:17,529
believe in ghosts it's like dude if you

1197
00:55:24,029 --> 00:55:20,230
can come to terms with the fact that we

1198
00:55:26,220 --> 00:55:24,039
have we have evidence we have clinically

1199
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:26,230
gathered statistical evidence let's see

1200
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:28,930
that validates yesterday if you can come

1201
00:55:32,279 --> 00:55:30,490
to terms with the implications of that

1202
00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:32,289
it does mean that the mind is extra

1203
00:55:38,099 --> 00:55:35,160
physical it does mean that life is not

1204
00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:38,109
confined to these flesh and blood bodies

1205
00:55:43,259 --> 00:55:39,940
that we occupy for a short period of

1206
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:43,269
time now what can be extrapolated from

1207
00:55:47,970 --> 00:55:46,720
that is is is is so vast that it's

1208
00:55:49,499 --> 00:55:47,980
almost like we're on our knees just

1209
00:55:51,539 --> 00:55:49,509
peeking through a keyhole you know we're

1210
00:55:53,730 --> 00:55:51,549
just at the beginning of all this but

1211
00:55:56,249 --> 00:55:53,740
once you've come to terms with the fact

1212
00:55:57,809 --> 00:55:56,259
that there's an extra physical to

1213
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:57,819
mention a find or at least that there

1214
00:56:02,339 --> 00:55:59,920
seems to be and that we've gathered not

1215
00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:02,349
only testimony but evidence statistical

1216
00:56:04,770 --> 00:56:02,830
evidence

1217
00:56:06,990 --> 00:56:04,780
that effect specifically involving

1218
00:56:09,570 --> 00:56:07,000
precognition experiments among other

1219
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:09,580
things it just opens up everything it

1220
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:11,530
opens up a vista unto everything I mean

1221
00:56:16,860 --> 00:56:14,290
it's proof that humanity is not just

1222
00:56:20,130 --> 00:56:16,870
bound to physical forms where that can

1223
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:20,140
take you is almost limitless but shame

1224
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:21,970
on us if we fail to ask the questions

1225
00:56:26,910 --> 00:56:24,310
yeah it's it's it's amazing to me where

1226
00:56:30,180 --> 00:56:26,920
you can have somebody that is absolutely

1227
00:56:31,980 --> 00:56:30,190
closed down about life in that there's

1228
00:56:33,420 --> 00:56:31,990
no life after there's nothing there's

1229
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:33,430
nothing out in the universe there's no

1230
00:56:38,580 --> 00:56:36,250
reason to dream I'm just gonna work pay

1231
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:38,590
for my car insurance and then I die

1232
00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:41,110
right it's just like you know they don't

1233
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,260
have any first off that's boring but you

1234
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:46,480
can't they have evidence all around them

1235
00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:48,370
all day long that there's much more to

1236
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:51,460
life but they choose to ignore it they

1237
00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:53,410
choose to ignore it and the materialists

1238
00:56:57,180 --> 00:56:55,510
are just wrong you know it can be stated

1239
00:56:59,220 --> 00:56:57,190
that plainly there's a materialist

1240
00:57:00,840 --> 00:56:59,230
philosopher who likes to use the

1241
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:00,850
expression that human beings are nothing

1242
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:03,370
other than moist robots and he's wrong

1243
00:57:07,650 --> 00:57:05,710
he's wrong because the fact is we have

1244
00:57:09,540 --> 00:57:07,660
evidence right now that's been gathered

1245
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:09,550
over the past decades just to say one

1246
00:57:14,850 --> 00:57:12,210
small area of research leaving aside

1247
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:14,860
once in physics and psychical research

1248
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:16,450
and everything that may be controversial

1249
00:57:21,630 --> 00:57:18,690
or controversial in its interpretation

1250
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:21,640
the field of nearest neuroplasticity

1251
00:57:26,340 --> 00:57:23,440
demonstrates in and of itself that

1252
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:26,350
thoughts change neural pathways in the

1253
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:28,690
brain that you're witnessing literally

1254
00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:31,090
mind over matter thought is altering

1255
00:57:34,830 --> 00:57:32,860
gray matter well there's no such

1256
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:34,840
evidence for that happening in a machine

1257
00:57:38,370 --> 00:57:36,370
there's no such evidence for that

1258
00:57:41,630 --> 00:57:38,380
happening in a robot there may be some

1259
00:57:44,190 --> 00:57:41,640
day but right now we don't have a

1260
00:57:46,490 --> 00:57:44,200
program that runs through a computer

1261
00:57:49,650 --> 00:57:46,500
that allows the computer to

1262
00:57:52,410 --> 00:57:49,660
intrinsically involve a different

1263
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:52,420
hardware from within itself organically

1264
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:54,160
it may be able to assemble these things

1265
00:57:57,390 --> 00:57:55,810
of course but that's motor function

1266
00:58:00,420 --> 00:57:57,400
that's different that's not an

1267
00:58:02,550 --> 00:58:00,430
evolutionary phenomena that's a plane

1268
00:58:05,310 --> 00:58:02,560
from within the machine motor function

1269
00:58:07,650 --> 00:58:05,320
is different we see thought actually

1270
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:07,660
leading to evolutionary phenomena within

1271
00:58:11,460 --> 00:58:09,250
the brain if I can use that term to

1272
00:58:13,710 --> 00:58:11,470
describe an alteration of the brains

1273
00:58:15,330 --> 00:58:13,720
neural pathways so we're not moist

1274
00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:15,340
robots and that's just citing one

1275
00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:16,630
example that's already 10

1276
00:58:20,550 --> 00:58:17,950
years old at this point there's many

1277
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:20,560
others materialism just doesn't hold up

1278
00:58:24,420 --> 00:58:23,170
in the 21st century the other part we've

1279
00:58:26,220 --> 00:58:24,430
got to take a break right here and the

1280
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:26,230
other part about this that I would

1281
00:58:32,970 --> 00:58:29,440
suggest to anybody that has doubts the

1282
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:32,980
main focus for DARPA and for Sandia

1283
00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:35,200
right now are to make those conscious

1284
00:58:38,580 --> 00:58:37,720
connections to computers that's me

1285
00:58:40,650 --> 00:58:38,590
that's their focus

1286
00:58:43,020 --> 00:58:40,660
let's test let's take a break right here

1287
00:58:45,060 --> 00:58:43,030
Mitch when we come back I'm gonna go

1288
00:58:47,370 --> 00:58:45,070
straight at you I want to know how much

1289
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:47,380
you're using your mind to change your

1290
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:50,710
life do that when we come back I guess

1291
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:51,730
right Mitch

1292
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:54,640
Horowitz his new book okay we're gonna

1293
00:59:01,320 --> 00:58:56,530
be discussing that tonight too as well

1294
00:59:02,580 --> 00:59:01,330
and the thing is it's a cult America one

1295
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:02,590
of the things I talk about on this show

1296
00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:04,510
all the time tonight I've got Mitch here

1297
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:06,430
I cannot wait for this fade to black I'm

1298
00:59:10,620 --> 00:59:08,110
here Jimmy Church follow Mitch on

1299
00:59:12,690 --> 00:59:10,630
Twitter at Mitch Horowitz you can follow

1300
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:12,700
me to at Jay Church radio I'll be right

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00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:22,240
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it's grace can we talk about something

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serious for a minute your age getting

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old has its perks but remember being a

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few years younger you know your hair was

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thicker you didn't have so many wrinkles

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that extra weight wasn't haunting you

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and you just felt better well we can't

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this is Jimmy Church of fade to black

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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able to meet Church Twitter is on fire

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01:03:55,540 --> 01:03:53,780
tonight I kind of expected this can

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follow me on Twitter ad teachers radio

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hashtag f to B is the sandbox follow

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Mitch at Mitch Horowitz very simple now

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very simple Mitch you're gonna be out

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here in Los Angeles

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can't wait what are the dates and where

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01:04:17,020 --> 01:04:14,630
you gonna be I'm gonna be speaking at

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01:04:19,060 --> 01:04:17,030
the philosophical Research Society in

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01:04:21,820 --> 01:04:19,070
Griffin Park for dates they're actually

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01:04:24,460 --> 01:04:21,830
five dates there it's a whirlwind I'm

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01:04:26,890 --> 01:04:24,470
arriving on the 24th I'm staying through

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01:04:29,740 --> 01:04:26,900
the 28th of October October 24th through

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01:04:32,770 --> 01:04:29,750
28th if you visit me on Twitter you can

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01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:32,780
find all the dates I'm giving a couple

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01:04:36,790 --> 01:04:34,400
of talks that are free a couple of talks

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01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:36,800
that are ticketed it's gonna be a lot of

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01:04:40,350 --> 01:04:38,510
fun speaking about manly Pete Hall

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01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:40,360
speaking about the history of the occult

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01:04:44,620 --> 01:04:42,470
speaking about my new book the miracle

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01:04:46,930 --> 01:04:44,630
Club last time I was there a few months

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01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:46,940
ago I just had an absolute blast I love

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01:04:52,330 --> 01:04:49,610
LA it's one of my favorite places on

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01:04:55,180 --> 01:04:52,340
earth and so I'll be there starting on

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01:04:57,810 --> 01:04:55,190
the 24th you can find me in Griffith

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01:04:59,650 --> 01:04:57,820
Park and camping out there at the

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01:05:02,140 --> 01:04:59,660
University of philosophical research

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01:05:03,580 --> 01:05:02,150
manly halls headquarters visit me on

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01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:03,590
Twitter you'll find the dates right at

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01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:05,510
the top of my page we'll be there I

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01:05:14,170 --> 01:05:08,720
can't wait what size t-shirt Oh large

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01:05:19,260 --> 01:05:14,180
please thank you there you go yeah I got

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01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:19,270
to do that you see our shirts fit your

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01:05:25,780 --> 01:05:22,400
style you'll be you'll be you'll be on

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01:05:28,930 --> 01:05:25,790
pitch let me know okay so one of the

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01:05:32,170 --> 01:05:28,940
things that I love to discuss because

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01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:32,180
I've seen that own changes that I've had

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01:05:38,830 --> 01:05:35,510
in my life when it comes to putting your

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01:05:41,890 --> 01:05:38,840
mind to something and and trying your

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01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:41,900
best to find your bliss and change your

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01:05:47,650 --> 01:05:45,650
reality yeah and and and now that's what

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01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:47,660
the new book is about which is great and

1434
01:05:52,570 --> 01:05:50,210
I have it and the book is amazing but do

1435
01:05:55,390 --> 01:05:52,580
you apply this in your own life and what

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01:05:57,580 --> 01:05:55,400
kind of changes have you seen over sure

1437
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:57,590
I do apply it and I always make a point

1438
01:06:02,890 --> 01:05:59,119
of telling people that

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01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:02,900
on I'm now 52 years old I did not watch

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01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:06,650
wait wait wait wait wait you're not 52 I

1441
01:06:18,279 --> 01:06:13,249
am okay alright let's don't sleep I so

1442
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:18,289
you're an alchemist oh man

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01:06:25,450 --> 01:06:22,970
somehow I pulled through Wow I didn't

1444
01:06:28,749 --> 01:06:25,460
publish my first books until I was I was

1445
01:06:30,249 --> 01:06:28,759
in my 40s and you know people could say

1446
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:30,259
well yeah but you know you were hanging

1447
01:06:33,249 --> 01:06:31,609
around publishing you were kind of

1448
01:06:35,789 --> 01:06:33,259
getting primed for it and yes and no yes

1449
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:35,799
and no you know I went into publishing

1450
01:06:41,769 --> 01:06:38,960
because I had stopped writing you know

1451
01:06:44,589 --> 01:06:41,779
my career as a writer I felt hit a dead

1452
01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:44,599
end went nowhere and I entered

1453
01:06:50,019 --> 01:06:47,180
publishing specifically because I was

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01:06:52,839 --> 01:06:50,029
looking for a job as a guy who had left

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01:06:55,630 --> 01:06:52,849
writing behind and I kind of made peace

1456
01:06:57,519 --> 01:06:55,640
with it throughout my 30s as you do you

1457
01:07:00,339 --> 01:06:57,529
know you sort of push things down and

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01:07:02,259 --> 01:07:00,349
you say gee I'm not sure if I really

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01:07:03,819 --> 01:07:02,269
stand for anything but you know your

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01:07:05,650 --> 01:07:03,829
spouse or your girlfriend or your

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01:07:08,499 --> 01:07:05,660
boyfriend if they're a good partner says

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01:07:09,489 --> 01:07:08,509
no no you're fine you're fine and you

1463
01:07:11,859 --> 01:07:09,499
know you could find a way of making

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01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:11,869
peace with mediocrity in a certain sense

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01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,210
which is really what I always doing

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01:07:19,450 --> 01:07:16,880
throughout much of my 30s but I could

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never leave behind the wish to write and

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01:07:23,739 --> 01:07:21,890
the wish to sort of be in front of the

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01:07:25,180 --> 01:07:23,749
camera or in front of the microphone you

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01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:25,190
know rather than just facilitating

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01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:27,049
somebody else's work which is really a

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01:07:31,479 --> 01:07:28,640
great deal of what you do frankly when

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01:07:33,729 --> 01:07:31,489
you're in publishing and I found my way

1474
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:33,739
back to writing through a strange series

1475
01:07:40,779 --> 01:07:38,720
of coincidences and breaks and I I found

1476
01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:40,789
my purpose as a writer which was to

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01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:42,710
document metaphysical experience I

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01:07:47,950 --> 01:07:46,160
realized in my late 30s early 40s that

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that's what I had been missing that's

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01:07:51,819 --> 01:07:49,609
the sense of mission that I had been

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01:07:53,380 --> 01:07:51,829
missing and I write about this in the

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01:07:55,779 --> 01:07:53,390
vertical club in fact I have an article

1483
01:07:57,279 --> 01:07:55,789
at medium.com called how quitting

1484
01:07:59,890 --> 01:07:57,289
writing made me a writer you know I

1485
01:08:03,160 --> 01:07:59,900
didn't have that sense of mission but I

1486
01:08:06,759 --> 01:08:03,170
used my mind's faculties I was searching

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01:08:09,279 --> 01:08:06,769
in a very active determined committed

1488
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:09,289
way I had a mental picture of where I

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01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:11,599
wanted to go and the events unfolded in

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01:08:15,980 --> 01:08:12,810
ways that I never

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01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:15,990
ever could have foreseen and it so

1492
01:08:20,059 --> 01:08:17,640
happened that it wasn't until I get

1493
01:08:21,860 --> 01:08:20,069
middle-age that I really found my way in

1494
01:08:23,930 --> 01:08:21,870
my voice as a writer and I attribute

1495
01:08:25,550 --> 01:08:23,940
that to the the program of mine

1496
01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:25,560
metaphysics that are right about in the

1497
01:08:29,450 --> 01:08:26,310
miracle Club

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01:08:29,809 --> 01:08:29,460
it happened for me and I I use it every

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01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:29,819
day

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01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:34,170
because I've never suffered from

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01:08:38,510 --> 01:08:36,510
depression but I suffer from anxiety and

1502
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:38,520
that's what got me into the whole mind

1503
01:08:42,710 --> 01:08:40,080
metaphysics field to begin with I

1504
01:08:44,930 --> 01:08:42,720
thought you know there has to be a way

1505
01:08:47,420 --> 01:08:44,940
of using my own faculties to try to turn

1506
01:08:49,849 --> 01:08:47,430
this around and I have to say you know I

1507
01:08:51,770 --> 01:08:49,859
say this to you friend to friend that

1508
01:08:52,970 --> 01:08:51,780
made all the difference in my life it

1509
01:08:56,329 --> 01:08:52,980
made all the difference in my life

1510
01:08:58,520 --> 01:08:56,339
because I if you and I had been having

1511
01:09:01,610 --> 01:08:58,530
this conversation when I was age 35 I

1512
01:09:03,530 --> 01:09:01,620
could not have foreseen the books and

1513
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:03,540
the articles and the appearances and the

1514
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:04,650
other things that would have flowed out

1515
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:06,690
of me and that's the program that I

1516
01:09:11,570 --> 01:09:08,880
write about in Miracle Club was there

1517
01:09:15,020 --> 01:09:11,580
one moment you know one thing that you

1518
01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:15,030
could look back now and go that was that

1519
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:17,460
was the Epiphany well here this is the

1520
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:20,730
moment this is the moment friends of

1521
01:09:25,090 --> 01:09:23,250
mine were running the magazine science

1522
01:09:27,710 --> 01:09:25,100
of mind which is an old positive

1523
01:09:29,870 --> 01:09:27,720
thinking monthly magazine that goes back

1524
01:09:33,370 --> 01:09:29,880
to the 1920s oh I read a column for it

1525
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:33,380
today it's still with us and they

1526
01:09:37,610 --> 01:09:35,730
discuss back many years they got an

1527
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:37,620
interview with the major league baseball

1528
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,290
pitcher Barry Zito and Barry at the time

1529
01:09:46,610 --> 01:09:42,799
was pitching for the Oakland A's and

1530
01:09:48,440 --> 01:09:46,620
Barry grew up on this mind metaphysics

1531
01:09:50,539 --> 01:09:48,450
material his parents were very into it

1532
01:09:53,750 --> 01:09:50,549
they they imbued him with it

1533
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:53,760
and he used it as an intimate part of

1534
01:09:57,380 --> 01:09:55,890
his own training regimen and so they got

1535
01:09:59,240 --> 01:09:57,390
an interview with Barry and this was a

1536
01:10:01,190 --> 01:09:59,250
very big get and they didn't want to

1537
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:01,200
blow it and they saw me as somebody who

1538
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:02,490
they could trust and they came to me and

1539
01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:04,170
asked me if I would interview Barry and

1540
01:10:08,210 --> 01:10:05,940
write a profile of him and I said very

1541
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:08,220
much yes you know I would I was eager to

1542
01:10:12,350 --> 01:10:10,110
do it although I hadn't picked up a pen

1543
01:10:14,660 --> 01:10:12,360
for 10 years I had not picked up a pen

1544
01:10:17,450 --> 01:10:14,670
other than to read promo copy or catalog

1545
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:17,460
copy for 10 years so I threw myself into

1546
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:18,810
this with a real sense of mission I

1547
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,850
wrote the profile I was happy with that

1548
01:10:24,740 --> 01:10:22,320
I was pleased with it it's online it's

1549
01:10:26,649 --> 01:10:24,750
called Barry's way anybody wants to can

1550
01:10:28,330 --> 01:10:26,659
throw that into Google they'll find it

1551
01:10:32,649 --> 01:10:28,340
about two weeks after the thing was

1552
01:10:36,220 --> 01:10:32,659
published this was in October of 2003 I

1553
01:10:39,340 --> 01:10:36,230
got a call out of the blue from Barry's

1554
01:10:42,820 --> 01:10:39,350
father Joe Zito I had never met Joe

1555
01:10:44,979 --> 01:10:42,830
before in my life and he had this very

1556
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:44,989
deep drill-sergeant kind of voice and he

1557
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:47,120
said to me [\h__\h] this article was

1558
01:10:52,660 --> 01:10:49,850
terrific now you listen to me you stick

1559
01:10:54,220 --> 01:10:52,670
with this thing and buy this thing he

1560
01:10:56,500 --> 01:10:54,230
meant writing about metaphysical

1561
01:10:58,720 --> 01:10:56,510
experience although he had never met me

1562
01:11:01,149 --> 01:10:58,730
he got what I was after he understood

1563
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:01,159
what I was after and Barry later told me

1564
01:11:07,390 --> 01:11:03,530
that Joe had played that role in several

1565
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:07,400
people's lives he died in 2013 but Joe

1566
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:09,170
Zito Barry's father who I had never met

1567
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:10,730
called me out of the blue he said I'll

1568
01:11:14,979 --> 01:11:12,650
never forget his words you stick with

1569
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:14,989
this thing and it was confirmation to me

1570
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:16,250
that was a green light that I was on the

1571
01:11:22,270 --> 01:11:19,130
right path that was an epiphany now what

1572
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:22,280
about the the other side of all of this

1573
01:11:28,930 --> 01:11:25,130
which you know when we're talking about

1574
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:28,940
taro or hermeticism or Ouija boards

1575
01:11:36,250 --> 01:11:32,690
occult history this is for most people a

1576
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:36,260
life's journey of knowledge and truth

1577
01:11:41,379 --> 01:11:38,810
seeking yep did did you have that

1578
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:41,389
growing up or did all of this come much

1579
01:11:46,180 --> 01:11:44,570
later in in your 40s it was both I had

1580
01:11:49,209 --> 01:11:46,190
it growing up when I was a kid growing

1581
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:49,219
up I was interested in UFOs and

1582
01:11:53,050 --> 01:11:51,110
astrology and was really hungry to know

1583
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:53,060
where all these ideas came from I was

1584
01:11:59,439 --> 01:11:55,610
very interested in folklore and

1585
01:12:01,870 --> 01:11:59,449
mythology and then when I entered my 20s

1586
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:01,880
my 30s I grew distant from it somewhat I

1587
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:05,360
got more into politics but I grew really

1588
01:12:08,590 --> 01:12:07,310
tired of politics in the sense that I

1589
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:08,600
felt as if I didn't have anything

1590
01:12:11,770 --> 01:12:10,400
original to add you know I mean

1591
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:11,780
especially here in New York City

1592
01:12:16,330 --> 01:12:14,570
everybody's into politics and New York

1593
01:12:18,250 --> 01:12:16,340
did not need another guy bopping around

1594
01:12:19,629 --> 01:12:18,260
writing book reviews for the Village

1595
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:19,639
Voice you know that just was not

1596
01:12:24,490 --> 01:12:22,159
something that our culture was calling

1597
01:12:26,620 --> 01:12:24,500
for and I felt sort of lost you know I

1598
01:12:28,300 --> 01:12:26,630
felt like I was just a guy you know one

1599
01:12:33,610 --> 01:12:28,310
more animal at a barnyard full of

1600
01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:33,620
animals and then I I was fired I was

1601
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:34,880
fired

1602
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,030
from a political publishing house and I

1603
01:12:43,610 --> 01:12:40,800
was looking around for jobs

1604
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:43,620
new publishing houses and and newspapers

1605
01:12:47,710 --> 01:12:45,810
and stuff and I got a lot of wonderful

1606
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:47,720
interviews I mean you wouldn't believe

1607
01:12:53,060 --> 01:12:50,400
the interviews that I got I was speaking

1608
01:12:54,770 --> 01:12:53,070
with John Kennedy jr. at George magazine

1609
01:12:57,260 --> 01:12:54,780
in a magazine he was launching I was

1610
01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:57,270
speaking with Lewis Lapham at Harper's

1611
01:13:00,200 --> 01:12:58,770
Magazine I was speaking with the chief

1612
01:13:02,260 --> 01:13:00,210
executive editor at the New York Times

1613
01:13:04,700 --> 01:13:02,270
but these things all amounted to almost

1614
01:13:06,740 --> 01:13:04,710
they were all these almost so I wasn't

1615
01:13:08,450 --> 01:13:06,750
getting anywhere you know I would get to

1616
01:13:10,130 --> 01:13:08,460
the second third fourth interview but

1617
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,140
the job wouldn't happen and I thought to

1618
01:13:14,660 --> 01:13:12,480
myself I gotta take stock of things here

1619
01:13:17,300 --> 01:13:14,670
man you know I can't live on almost and

1620
01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:17,310
so I was offered a job by a New Age

1621
01:13:21,770 --> 01:13:19,140
publishing house which was at that time

1622
01:13:23,630 --> 01:13:21,780
called Jeremy P charger or later came to

1623
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:23,640
me noticed Archer penguin and they

1624
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:26,370
opened a door for me and I said yes and

1625
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:28,410
my friends thought I was crazy they

1626
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:29,730
thought you know are you a lunatic you

1627
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:32,250
know it's like your your your your your

1628
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:35,280
kind of going from the world of literary

1629
01:13:39,380 --> 01:13:37,770
journalism and heightened publishing to

1630
01:13:41,870 --> 01:13:39,390
this new-age backwater and they thought

1631
01:13:43,310 --> 01:13:41,880
I was nuts but I had a feeling that it

1632
01:13:45,980 --> 01:13:43,320
would be the right thing and I feel that

1633
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:45,990
when somebody gives you a yes you should

1634
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,210
take that very very seriously it's like

1635
01:13:53,210 --> 01:13:50,640
somebody extending a gift to you you

1636
01:13:55,460 --> 01:13:53,220
accept it and so I accepted it and I

1637
01:13:57,290 --> 01:13:55,470
went there and I found myself you know I

1638
01:13:59,630 --> 01:13:57,300
found my voice as a writer I found what

1639
01:14:01,490 --> 01:13:59,640
I needed to be working on I discovered

1640
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:01,500
the kinds of metaphysical books on that

1641
01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:05,250
back list that brought me back to what I

1642
01:14:09,380 --> 01:14:07,500
was passionate about when I was a kid

1643
01:14:13,130 --> 01:14:09,390
and I never looked back I spent 20 years

1644
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:13,140
there it defined my life Manley P Hall

1645
01:14:16,820 --> 01:14:14,850
I'm gonna jump into this I've got a

1646
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:16,830
bunch of I'm sure you're watching

1647
01:14:21,950 --> 01:14:20,010
Twitter right now and there's a lot of

1648
01:14:23,690 --> 01:14:21,960
questions that are backing up there and

1649
01:14:26,510 --> 01:14:23,700
I promise everybody I'll get to some of

1650
01:14:27,950 --> 01:14:26,520
them but Manley P Hall and when he

1651
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:27,960
didn't start to go through this journey

1652
01:14:33,140 --> 01:14:31,050
and you get in to Manley P halls not

1653
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:33,150
only writing but his public speaking was

1654
01:14:41,090 --> 01:14:36,690
absolutely extraordinary yeah how Ryan

1655
01:14:42,350 --> 01:14:41,100
did that man have it oh he was I mean

1656
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:42,360
he's just one of the greatest influences

1657
01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:45,600
on me you know Manley Hall I didn't

1658
01:14:49,220 --> 01:14:46,980
discover him til I was a little bit

1659
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:49,230
older I mean he was already several

1660
01:14:54,260 --> 01:14:52,080
years gone when I discovered him but

1661
01:14:54,620 --> 01:14:54,270
when I did it was like falling into this

1662
01:14:57,169 --> 01:14:54,630
rat

1663
01:15:00,040 --> 01:14:57,179
whole of discovery because there was a

1664
01:15:02,780 --> 01:15:00,050
there were a handful of people who

1665
01:15:06,290 --> 01:15:02,790
convinced me that you could pursue

1666
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:06,300
studies into the occult with a deep

1667
01:15:10,700 --> 01:15:09,000
intellectual gravity and that was the

1668
01:15:14,780 --> 01:15:10,710
influence that Manley Hall had on my

1669
01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:14,790
life and as it happens the first public

1670
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:17,190
talk that I ever gave was called the

1671
01:15:20,780 --> 01:15:19,050
occult philosophy in American life and

1672
01:15:22,580 --> 01:15:20,790
it was at Manly Hall's headquarters

1673
01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:22,590
where I'm returning to next month that

1674
01:15:27,169 --> 01:15:25,110
was in 2005 and here's another thing

1675
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:27,179
about you know when somebody offers you

1676
01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:30,690
a gift you accept it the head of Manlius

1677
01:15:34,700 --> 01:15:33,000
organization at that time said to me

1678
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:34,710
listen if you're ever in the

1679
01:15:40,189 --> 01:15:37,770
neighborhood our stage our podium is

1680
01:15:41,180 --> 01:15:40,199
open to you and I said okay well I'm

1681
01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:41,190
gonna be in the neighborhood in

1682
01:15:44,959 --> 01:15:42,420
September you know I didn't have any

1683
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,969
plans to be in LA but I thought I will

1684
01:15:49,070 --> 01:15:46,800
get a ticket I will go out there on my

1685
01:15:51,020 --> 01:15:49,080
own dime because I knew it was gonna be

1686
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:51,030
a transformative experience and I felt a

1687
01:15:54,770 --> 01:15:53,130
gift was being extended to me and I

1688
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:54,780
accepted it and I went there and I gave

1689
01:15:59,000 --> 01:15:56,370
this talk the occult philosophy in

1690
01:16:01,370 --> 01:15:59,010
American life that was in fall of 2005

1691
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:01,380
two years after the phone call with Joe

1692
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:04,560
Zito and that that talk became my first

1693
01:16:08,270 --> 01:16:06,510
book occult America it changed

1694
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:08,280
everything for me Manley Hall and his

1695
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:10,650
institutions have changed everything for

1696
01:16:17,300 --> 01:16:14,310
me Lord where did the I speculated on

1697
01:16:19,399 --> 01:16:17,310
this so much because quite frankly he

1698
01:16:20,899 --> 01:16:19,409
freaks me out his intelligence the way

1699
01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:20,909
that he speaks the way that he writes

1700
01:16:27,410 --> 01:16:25,260
yeah and the not throw it's insane when

1701
01:16:32,510 --> 01:16:27,420
you think about how complex that man was

1702
01:16:34,010 --> 01:16:32,520
yeah where did he get it dad yeah I

1703
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:34,020
don't that's where'd he get it from

1704
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:36,530
did he download it from a some offworld

1705
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:40,560
I don't know he was not an ordinary man

1706
01:16:45,050 --> 01:16:42,360
you know it's it's funny as we speak I'm

1707
01:16:47,180 --> 01:16:45,060
holding a copy in my hands of the secret

1708
01:16:49,820 --> 01:16:47,190
teachings of all ages and I'm holding a

1709
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:49,830
replica of the original edition this guy

1710
01:16:58,280 --> 01:16:52,290
was 27 years old when he published this

1711
01:17:01,490 --> 01:16:58,290
book 27 years old and I mean I cannot

1712
01:17:03,379 --> 01:17:01,500
say enough on this books behalf the

1713
01:17:05,540 --> 01:17:03,389
secret teachings of all ages and and I

1714
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:05,550
have I've read the book in its entirety

1715
01:17:11,180 --> 01:17:08,370
its passages on I

1716
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:11,190
fagor Ian mathematics crunch mysteries

1717
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:13,410
mythology the esotericism of the

1718
01:17:17,150 --> 01:17:14,490
Shakespeare dramas

1719
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:17,160
any single chapter would be worthy of a

1720
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:19,290
lifetime of study any single chapter and

1721
01:17:23,330 --> 01:17:20,640
you would think it was some ancient

1722
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:23,340
English bibliophile writing it you know

1723
01:17:28,250 --> 01:17:25,170
some guy 90 years old and then or a

1724
01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:28,260
compilation of authors right right yes

1725
01:17:35,330 --> 01:17:33,030
this was a kid yes of 27 years who never

1726
01:17:37,310 --> 01:17:35,340
really had formal education he grew up

1727
01:17:40,460 --> 01:17:37,320
in the Dakotas he bopped around the West

1728
01:17:42,230 --> 01:17:40,470
as as as a kid his grandmother briefly

1729
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:42,240
enrolled him in a Military Academy here

1730
01:17:45,380 --> 01:17:44,130
in New York City where I live where he

1731
01:17:48,110 --> 01:17:45,390
started writing the book and then he

1732
01:17:49,940 --> 01:17:48,120
popped out to California but he didn't

1733
01:17:53,420 --> 01:17:49,950
have a university degree he had very

1734
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:53,430
little formal schooling he he he visited

1735
01:17:58,340 --> 01:17:55,920
public libraries and the US and Great

1736
01:18:01,070 --> 01:17:58,350
Britain there's almost no cracking the

1737
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:01,080
code of where Manley got all this

1738
01:18:07,610 --> 01:18:03,090
information from it it just was

1739
01:18:09,950 --> 01:18:07,620
extraordinary III mean any terms that we

1740
01:18:12,050 --> 01:18:09,960
could come up with would be insufficient

1741
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:12,060
and he was touched by something and he

1742
01:18:18,380 --> 01:18:15,570
was he was not an ordinary man no I look

1743
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:18,390
back in and I ask anybody look back to

1744
01:18:22,970 --> 01:18:20,250
when you were 25 years old

1745
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:22,980
where were we I was barely figuring out

1746
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:25,050
how to intimated a guitar with a boss

1747
01:18:30,860 --> 01:18:28,530
tuner okay yeah that's where I was I was

1748
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:30,870
trying to find precision bearings for my

1749
01:18:36,710 --> 01:18:35,130
skateboard yeah and and and here he had

1750
01:18:39,170 --> 01:18:36,720
already completed what anybody else

1751
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:39,180
would you know multiple lifetimes and I

1752
01:18:44,780 --> 01:18:41,040
don't understand where he got it from I

1753
01:18:47,210 --> 01:18:44,790
think I think I can go with a paranormal

1754
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:47,220
or supernatural answer with that because

1755
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:48,810
it's the only thing that kind of makes

1756
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:50,970
sense yeah it's it's extraordinary

1757
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:53,010
and you know I write about Manley's life

1758
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:54,810
in occult America and I I mean I'm

1759
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:55,920
learning more and more about the

1760
01:18:59,450 --> 01:18:57,090
dimensions of his life

1761
01:19:01,880 --> 01:18:59,460
I have an aunt followed I just finished

1762
01:19:03,770 --> 01:19:01,890
assembling and introducing an anthology

1763
01:19:05,330 --> 01:19:03,780
of Manley's historical writings called

1764
01:19:07,850 --> 01:19:05,340
the secret history of America which is

1765
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:07,860
going to come out next 4th of July from

1766
01:19:12,260 --> 01:19:10,050
st. Martin's Press and that was a real

1767
01:19:13,550 --> 01:19:12,270
joy to work on and I found actually as I

1768
01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:13,560
was working on that and I've been

1769
01:19:17,210 --> 01:19:15,510
writing about this maybe for the past

1770
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:17,220
eight or nine years there's absolutely

1771
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:18,810
no question that Manley had a

1772
01:19:24,259 --> 01:19:21,510
relationship with Ronald ray

1773
01:19:26,629 --> 01:19:24,269
Ragan quoted for manly speeches

1774
01:19:28,399 --> 01:19:26,639
uncredited I discovered in some of

1775
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:28,409
reagan's speeches going back to the

1776
01:19:33,790 --> 01:19:31,199
1950s up through the second term of his

1777
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:33,800
presidency that he was actually using

1778
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:36,449
phrases and terms that came directly out

1779
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:40,050
of Manley's work and Reagan had made he

1780
01:19:45,709 --> 01:19:43,650
he had made sort of indirect references

1781
01:19:48,939 --> 01:19:45,719
to having met the author of some

1782
01:19:51,140 --> 01:19:48,949
esoteric works and I I've done as much

1783
01:19:53,029 --> 01:19:51,150
historiography as I could bring to the

1784
01:19:56,089 --> 01:19:53,039
matter and I think it's beyond question

1785
01:19:58,250 --> 01:19:56,099
that Reagan and manly Hall had met had

1786
01:20:00,799 --> 01:19:58,260
exchanged ideas were friendly and I know

1787
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:00,809
without question that Reagan was quoting

1788
01:20:04,459 --> 01:20:01,920
from Manley and some of his speeches

1789
01:20:05,689 --> 01:20:04,469
because the phraseology is identical

1790
01:20:07,209 --> 01:20:05,699
this is something I've written about for

1791
01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:07,219
the Washington Post and other places so

1792
01:20:13,220 --> 01:20:11,400
Manley had some interesting connections

1793
01:20:16,069 --> 01:20:13,230
to mainstream political culture as well

1794
01:20:17,959 --> 01:20:16,079
I mean his influence really extended now

1795
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:17,969
what about let's let's take that thought

1796
01:20:23,029 --> 01:20:20,010
a step further know you've written about

1797
01:20:24,259 --> 01:20:23,039
this but the audience is probably gonna

1798
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:24,269
hear some of this for the first time

1799
01:20:34,100 --> 01:20:30,480
back in the 70s and 80s there was

1800
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:34,110
chatter on the street somewhat in

1801
01:20:38,959 --> 01:20:36,570
mainstream media that there was

1802
01:20:43,540 --> 01:20:38,969
something esoteric going on in the White

1803
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:43,550
House right that Nancy was into this and

1804
01:20:48,620 --> 01:20:46,050
astrologers and and there was something

1805
01:20:51,589 --> 01:20:48,630
going on where they were consulting

1806
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:51,599
there was that but back in in the 60s

1807
01:20:57,890 --> 01:20:53,760
and 70s here in Southern California it

1808
01:20:58,669 --> 01:20:57,900
was less populated everybody was they

1809
01:21:00,830 --> 01:20:58,679
knew each other

1810
01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:00,840
certainly in social settings too as well

1811
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:03,329
and I wouldn't doubt if Ronald and Nancy

1812
01:21:09,890 --> 01:21:06,090
were into this that of course they cross

1813
01:21:12,649 --> 01:21:09,900
paths with Manley and and his people but

1814
01:21:14,410 --> 01:21:12,659
how far did it go did it make it into

1815
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:14,420
the governor's mansion here and in

1816
01:21:19,790 --> 01:21:17,250
California and did it did Manley go all

1817
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:19,800
the way to the Oval Office

1818
01:21:24,399 --> 01:21:21,449
not not physically but certainly

1819
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:24,409
philosophically philosophically yes and

1820
01:21:29,450 --> 01:21:27,210
you know I've written about this in a

1821
01:21:31,580 --> 01:21:29,460
number of places my book one simple idea

1822
01:21:34,910 --> 01:21:31,590
which is about the positive thinking but

1823
01:21:36,740 --> 01:21:34,920
Ronald Reagan plays a role in that well

1824
01:21:41,630 --> 01:21:36,750
which the Chinese government was kind

1825
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:41,640
enough to censor in that in that book I

1826
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:42,810
read about the relationship between

1827
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:45,890
Manley Hall and Ronald Reagan and

1828
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:49,410
there's no question that man Lee's ideas

1829
01:21:58,130 --> 01:21:52,530
about America as a kind of holy grail

1830
01:22:01,370 --> 01:21:58,140
among nations as a kind of vouchsafe

1831
01:22:03,380 --> 01:22:01,380
keeper of personal liberty and the

1832
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,390
protection of the individual search for

1833
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:05,280
meaning this idea that America had a

1834
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:07,530
special role to play in the world as

1835
01:22:14,030 --> 01:22:11,370
kind of a a keeper of the flame of the

1836
01:22:15,860 --> 01:22:14,040
search for meaning as a protector of the

1837
01:22:18,340 --> 01:22:15,870
search for meaning at least that in its

1838
01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:18,350
highest moments in its highest ideals

1839
01:22:23,930 --> 01:22:22,110
that was part of man Lee's outlook on

1840
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:23,940
American history Manley felt that

1841
01:22:29,180 --> 01:22:27,360
America was the recipient of certain

1842
01:22:32,510 --> 01:22:29,190
esoteric ideas that had been vouchsafed

1843
01:22:34,460 --> 01:22:32,520
in Freemasonry and the Rosicrucians in

1844
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:34,470
certain esoteric Brotherhood's these

1845
01:22:37,970 --> 01:22:36,239
things were influences on some of the

1846
01:22:41,930 --> 01:22:37,980
founders including Washington and

1847
01:22:43,790 --> 01:22:41,940
Franklin and that in however flauta way

1848
01:22:46,190 --> 01:22:43,800
these things were enacted in the new

1849
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:46,200
nation and that America was the

1850
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:48,239
recipient of certain ancient esoteric

1851
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:50,640
ideals particularly involving the

1852
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:52,770
individual search for meaning that idea

1853
01:22:57,620 --> 01:22:55,290
touched Reagan that idea can be found in

1854
01:22:59,570 --> 01:22:57,630
reagan's speeches Reagan would talk

1855
01:23:02,720 --> 01:22:59,580
about such things in front of audiences

1856
01:23:05,060 --> 01:23:02,730
ranging from CPAC to literally millions

1857
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:05,070
of people watching television for the

1858
01:23:10,250 --> 01:23:07,440
Statue of Liberty centenary celebration

1859
01:23:12,590 --> 01:23:10,260
and he's quoting Manley P hall it is

1860
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:12,600
absolutely my book but the textual

1861
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:14,970
evidence is as plain as day and I've

1862
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:16,080
written about it for a lot of mainstream

1863
01:23:20,510 --> 01:23:18,360
places and mainstream historians like

1864
01:23:23,150 --> 01:23:20,520
Rick Pearlstein have quoted me on these

1865
01:23:27,140 --> 01:23:23,160
topics there's no question that man

1866
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:27,150
Lee's philosophy did influence Reagan's

1867
01:23:30,380 --> 01:23:29,040
outlook so you know that's an

1868
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:30,390
affirmative answer to your question

1869
01:23:33,050 --> 01:23:32,130
about whether certain esoteric outlooks

1870
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:33,060
have reached the oval office

1871
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:36,290
figuratively speaking yes and what about

1872
01:23:42,440 --> 01:23:40,050
the the references to you know Joan

1873
01:23:45,899 --> 01:23:42,450
Quigley and other astrologers and and

1874
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:45,909
and Nancy do you think that I mean

1875
01:23:51,179 --> 01:23:48,880
I think it's factually based now we can

1876
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:51,189
comfortably say that this is part of the

1877
01:23:56,879 --> 01:23:53,199
historical record Oh without question

1878
01:24:00,689 --> 01:23:56,889
well how far did it go with influencing

1879
01:24:03,779 --> 01:24:00,699
this country and and Ronald my guess

1880
01:24:06,330 --> 01:24:03,789
would be that Joan Quigley who was the

1881
01:24:09,359 --> 01:24:06,340
San francisco-based astrologer who was a

1882
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:09,369
close confidant of Nancy Reagan's for

1883
01:24:14,129 --> 01:24:11,530
the most part what John Quigley did was

1884
01:24:15,330 --> 01:24:14,139
she vetted Reagan's appointment book in

1885
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:15,340
his appointment calendar

1886
01:24:20,489 --> 01:24:18,639
she might have altered a day where a

1887
01:24:22,409 --> 01:24:20,499
particular announcement was made and I'd

1888
01:24:24,419 --> 01:24:22,419
have altered the day we're particularly

1889
01:24:26,850 --> 01:24:24,429
ting was held I don't think her

1890
01:24:29,129 --> 01:24:26,860
influence extended to policy but it

1891
01:24:31,649 --> 01:24:29,139
extended more to timing and I think

1892
01:24:32,699 --> 01:24:31,659
that's really variable and and and there

1893
01:24:34,649 --> 01:24:32,709
were people in the White House who were

1894
01:24:36,810 --> 01:24:34,659
gravely concerned about this that's you

1895
01:24:38,429 --> 01:24:36,820
know there was a stargazer who were who

1896
01:24:40,529 --> 01:24:38,439
was influencing the timing of certain

1897
01:24:42,239 --> 01:24:40,539
trips our meeting with foreign meetings

1898
01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:42,249
with foreign leaders and so forth but in

1899
01:24:45,989 --> 01:24:44,409
terms of timing there was a veritable

1900
01:24:49,020 --> 01:24:45,999
influence yeah you can't meet with

1901
01:24:50,969 --> 01:24:49,030
Brezhnev Mercury's in retrograde exactly

1902
01:24:52,770 --> 01:24:50,979
exactly that kind of thing was talked

1903
01:24:54,089 --> 01:24:52,780
about and the funny thing is you know

1904
01:24:55,679 --> 01:24:54,099
people always speculate Oh

1905
01:24:57,330 --> 01:24:55,689
what are they cult connections to the

1906
01:24:58,830 --> 01:24:57,340
White House well you know the occult

1907
01:25:01,379 --> 01:24:58,840
connections to the White House are a lot

1908
01:25:01,770 --> 01:25:01,389
like those that you'll find in any walk

1909
01:25:04,020 --> 01:25:01,780
of life

1910
01:25:06,989 --> 01:25:04,030
I mean you will find a certain slice of

1911
01:25:10,259 --> 01:25:06,999
our population that's interested in the

1912
01:25:12,029 --> 01:25:10,269
occult and the same fraction of the

1913
01:25:14,129 --> 01:25:12,039
population that passes through the White

1914
01:25:16,799 --> 01:25:14,139
House or the Supreme Court or Congress

1915
01:25:18,540 --> 01:25:16,809
or corporate Suites also as an interest

1916
01:25:21,089 --> 01:25:18,550
in the occult you know it's a fact that

1917
01:25:22,859 --> 01:25:21,099
Richard Nixon for example not usually

1918
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:22,869
thought of as a man of occult passions

1919
01:25:27,149 --> 01:25:25,449
met with the psychic gene Dixon in the

1920
01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:27,159
Oval Office literally in the Oval Office

1921
01:25:32,729 --> 01:25:30,369
and we know this because gene appears on

1922
01:25:34,319 --> 01:25:32,739
the Watergate tapes Nixon taped

1923
01:25:36,779 --> 01:25:34,329
everybody for a period of time who he

1924
01:25:39,029 --> 01:25:36,789
met with in the Oval Office and Nixon's

1925
01:25:41,819 --> 01:25:39,039
secretary was close friends with gene

1926
01:25:44,969 --> 01:25:41,829
Dixon she persuaded him to have a

1927
01:25:46,949 --> 01:25:44,979
meeting with her in 1972 in the Oval

1928
01:25:49,259 --> 01:25:46,959
Office which he did he didn't seem to

1929
01:25:51,390 --> 01:25:49,269
take it very seriously but there he was

1930
01:25:53,219 --> 01:25:51,400
you know having a conversation with a

1931
01:25:57,950 --> 01:25:53,229
psychic in the Oval Office and it's on

1932
01:26:00,170 --> 01:25:57,960
tape yeah and and the today I

1933
01:26:01,580 --> 01:26:00,180
most people don't understand Jeane Dixon

1934
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:01,590
was big-time

1935
01:26:09,010 --> 01:26:05,730
oh yeah we're talking big-time situation

1936
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:09,020
she was a virtual household name in

1937
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:11,760
America at that time yeah yeah

1938
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:15,450
Jean became famous because she I suppose

1939
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:16,800
you could say predicted the

1940
01:26:21,530 --> 01:26:18,930
assassination of John F Kennedy and I

1941
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:21,540
have an article at the website salon

1942
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:25,410
where I write about this Jean in 1956 in

1943
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:27,290
an interview with Parade magazine

1944
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:29,610
physically described someone a lot like

1945
01:26:33,050 --> 01:26:30,930
Kennedy and talked about him being

1946
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:33,060
assassinated while in office and when

1947
01:26:37,700 --> 01:26:35,310
you read the words in retrospect it's

1948
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:37,710
pretty uncanny but what people forget of

1949
01:26:41,660 --> 01:26:39,930
course is the chief also made hundreds

1950
01:26:43,730 --> 01:26:41,670
of predictions that were completely

1951
01:26:45,950 --> 01:26:43,740
wrong and once in a while she would get

1952
01:26:48,230 --> 01:26:45,960
a hit and her words about Kennedy were

1953
01:26:48,770 --> 01:26:48,240
uncanny and it made her famous it made

1954
01:26:50,510 --> 01:26:48,780
her famous

1955
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,520
but of course Jean had a lot of

1956
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:52,320
predictions that didn't come too fast we

1957
01:26:56,900 --> 01:26:53,970
need to take a break right here when I

1958
01:27:00,380 --> 01:26:56,910
was my mom was all in dead Edgar Cayce

1959
01:27:03,500 --> 01:27:00,390
and in the 60s and 70s and we had all

1960
01:27:06,290 --> 01:27:03,510
the books and stuff my mom loved Jeane

1961
01:27:08,450 --> 01:27:06,300
Dixon right I mean so yes I'm five six

1962
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:08,460
I'm a couple of years older than you so

1963
01:27:14,420 --> 01:27:10,530
we you know exactly what I'm talking

1964
01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:14,430
about or and that that was it and when

1965
01:27:19,820 --> 01:27:18,060
all of that broke down in in 72 73 my

1966
01:27:22,010 --> 01:27:19,830
mom I knew it I know it Gina

1967
01:27:24,710 --> 01:27:22,020
I knew it you know and yeah she was a

1968
01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:24,720
really really big deal and named that

1969
01:27:29,930 --> 01:27:27,060
I've never forgotten let's take a break

1970
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:29,940
right here Mitch when we come back and I

1971
01:27:35,150 --> 01:27:32,130
talk a little talk terror with you and

1972
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:35,160
maybe do some we g-o-p pleasure let's do

1973
01:27:40,190 --> 01:27:37,290
all of that next our guest is Mitch hair

1974
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:40,200
or words and this is the thing I knew we

1975
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:41,850
would be able to do all of those things

1976
01:27:45,770 --> 01:27:44,370
I love to talk about tonight I'm fade to

1977
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black I'm yours to be Church our guest

1978
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:47,970
Mitch Horowitz we'll be right back after

1979
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:50,490
this short break stay with us

1980
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01:31:31,129 --> 01:31:29,070
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2057
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:20,920
[Applause]

2058
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:23,330
welcome back fade to black our guest

2059
01:32:28,030 --> 01:32:26,090
tonight Mitch Horowitz now we're

2060
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:28,040
covering a lot of stuff tonight but I've

2061
01:32:31,620 --> 01:32:30,290
got to do this and I'm doing this for me

2062
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:31,630
I'm just letting everybody know that

2063
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:35,530
tomorrow night right here John Greenwald

2064
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:37,850
Wednesday night are you ready

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01:32:43,570 --> 01:32:40,480
wet State this is the amazing week here

2066
01:32:46,900 --> 01:32:43,580
Julia Moss bridge is here on Wednesday

2067
01:32:54,970 --> 01:32:46,910
and then Thursday night Dean Radin Mitch

2068
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:54,980
don't you want to be me right now you

2069
01:32:58,690 --> 01:32:56,810
know sometimes I do have to sit back and

2070
01:33:02,830 --> 01:32:58,700
go pinch me but you know what it's all

2071
01:33:07,390 --> 01:33:02,840
creating your own reality yes now I want

2072
01:33:10,420 --> 01:33:07,400
to talk Tarot and what I love our

2073
01:33:12,700 --> 01:33:10,430
community sometimes things are precious

2074
01:33:16,030 --> 01:33:12,710
to us and I don't like things to change

2075
01:33:19,540 --> 01:33:16,040
and and then commercialism gets involved

2076
01:33:23,290 --> 01:33:19,550
and now with Tarot today I can go out

2077
01:33:32,350 --> 01:33:23,300
and probably buy speed racer tarot cards

2078
01:33:35,770 --> 01:33:32,360
Oh Pokemon yeah I've seen gummybear

2079
01:33:38,140 --> 01:33:35,780
all right tarot cards so is that is that

2080
01:33:41,830 --> 01:33:38,150
a good thing getting out there to the

2081
01:33:43,930 --> 01:33:41,840
masses you know Barbie tarot cards or is

2082
01:33:46,510 --> 01:33:43,940
this is this something that is

2083
01:33:48,540 --> 01:33:46,520
infringing on something that is still a

2084
01:33:49,900 --> 01:33:48,550
little bit sacred and precious to us

2085
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:49,910
right

2086
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:52,610
well it's inevitable of course you know

2087
01:33:56,350 --> 01:33:54,050
I mean everybody's heard of the Ouija

2088
01:33:58,330 --> 01:33:56,360
board and at one time you know in the

2089
01:34:00,850 --> 01:33:58,340
1880s the Ouija board was a homemade

2090
01:34:02,980 --> 01:34:00,860
device that spiritualists are people who

2091
01:34:05,230 --> 01:34:02,990
like talking to the dead we're using in

2092
01:34:07,690 --> 01:34:05,240
their kitchen or in their parlor and

2093
01:34:09,610 --> 01:34:07,700
then some novelty manufacturers in

2094
01:34:13,150 --> 01:34:09,620
Baltimore got hold of it patented the

2095
01:34:15,550 --> 01:34:13,160
thing in 1891 and so was born the Ouija

2096
01:34:18,250 --> 01:34:15,560
board so it's always gonna happen in one

2097
01:34:19,630 --> 01:34:18,260
way or another it's it's it's almost

2098
01:34:23,230 --> 01:34:19,640
like spitting in the wind you know it's

2099
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:23,240
it's just it it just can't it can't be

2100
01:34:28,980 --> 01:34:26,090
avoided it's a cycle but I have noticed

2101
01:34:32,050 --> 01:34:28,990
that it's very interesting the so-called

2102
01:34:33,970 --> 01:34:32,060
rider-waite deck which was actually

2103
01:34:36,220 --> 01:34:33,980
designed by a brilliant artist named

2104
01:34:38,710 --> 01:34:36,230
Paulo Coleman Smith people sometimes now

2105
01:34:42,130 --> 01:34:38,720
call it the Smith wait deck which I

2106
01:34:44,500 --> 01:34:42,140
think is more appropriate that's really

2107
01:34:46,090 --> 01:34:44,510
the basis for all these different tarot

2108
01:34:48,990 --> 01:34:46,100
decks that are out there today you know

2109
01:34:51,910 --> 01:34:49,000
you really have the tower of Marseille

2110
01:34:53,590 --> 01:34:51,920
and-and-and the Smith wait deck and they

2111
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:53,600
are kind of the decks that everybody

2112
01:34:58,510 --> 01:34:55,760
uses as their go-to decks as their

2113
01:35:00,160 --> 01:34:58,520
copycat techs and so I'm struck that no

2114
01:35:02,010 --> 01:35:00,170
matter how many decks proliferate out

2115
01:35:04,690 --> 01:35:02,020
there with very very few exceptions

2116
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:04,700
they're all sort of riffing off of Tower

2117
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:07,730
of Marseille or the wait smith deck now

2118
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:09,489
Crowley's deck the Aleister Crowley deck

2119
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:12,050
was a hugely original deck that one's

2120
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:14,330
not so easily copycatted but many of

2121
01:35:19,420 --> 01:35:16,000
these decks out there just you know

2122
01:35:21,850 --> 01:35:19,430
reworkings of what Pamela Coleman Smith

2123
01:35:24,820 --> 01:35:21,860
did 125 years ago have you seen the

2124
01:35:27,220 --> 01:35:24,830
hexans earn deck I have not seen that

2125
01:35:29,710 --> 01:35:27,230
have you heard about it no no first I'm

2126
01:35:32,890 --> 01:35:29,720
hearing of it okay Suzanne tristar

2127
01:35:35,380 --> 01:35:32,900
designed it okay okay all right well you

2128
01:35:40,270 --> 01:35:35,390
know CERN and everything that is going

2129
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:40,280
on with that and quite possibly with the

2130
01:35:43,870 --> 01:35:42,170
supernatural and the paranormal which I

2131
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:43,880
don't doubt that there's things going on

2132
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:47,600
there but yeah there was a hexan cern

2133
01:35:53,940 --> 01:35:49,370
deck created so you need to go and check

2134
01:35:57,100 --> 01:35:53,950
that out now it does it does a Barbie

2135
01:35:59,080 --> 01:35:57,110
tarot deck change the way you would do

2136
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:59,090
somebody's reading I'm being a little

2137
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:01,040
bit Cavalier here but yeah thank you I

2138
01:36:04,570 --> 01:36:03,290
would say it does in the sense that look

2139
01:36:07,270 --> 01:36:04,580
you know one of the things I love about

2140
01:36:09,970 --> 01:36:07,280
Tarot is that it's a vessel for certain

2141
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:09,980
hermetic ideas you know hermeticism was

2142
01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:11,810
this kind of Greek Egyptian philosophy

2143
01:36:16,510 --> 01:36:14,510
that existed in late antiquity was a big

2144
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:16,520
influence on Europe in the Renaissance

2145
01:36:22,510 --> 01:36:19,370
Age when when the Tarot that we

2146
01:36:24,850 --> 01:36:22,520
recognized got developed and I think

2147
01:36:26,110 --> 01:36:24,860
that Tarot especially the decks I've

2148
01:36:29,020 --> 01:36:26,120
just mention I've mentioned earlier

2149
01:36:32,140 --> 01:36:29,030
terror Marseille the weight Smith Tarot

2150
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:32,150
and curlies Tarot among others are

2151
01:36:36,250 --> 01:36:34,730
vessels of hermetic imagery and ideas if

2152
01:36:37,930 --> 01:36:36,260
you water that down to the point where

2153
01:36:40,030 --> 01:36:37,940
using Barbie and gummy bears

2154
01:36:42,130 --> 01:36:40,040
I think the mystical allegory sort

2155
01:36:43,540 --> 01:36:42,140
starts to disappear you know at that

2156
01:36:46,510 --> 01:36:43,550
point you're kind of playing magic

2157
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:46,520
8-ball and something that really uses

2158
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:47,760
allegorical image

2159
01:36:55,939 --> 01:36:54,570
and what what part of the mind when

2160
01:36:58,640 --> 01:36:55,949
we're talking about Tarot

2161
01:37:02,209 --> 01:36:58,650
and especially your and we understand

2162
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:02,219
magic today or we're getting closer to

2163
01:37:06,830 --> 01:37:03,650
it I should say how much of that

2164
01:37:08,899 --> 01:37:06,840
influences what happens with the Tarot

2165
01:37:09,859 --> 01:37:08,909
when you're doing a reading that's a

2166
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:09,869
really good question

2167
01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:11,760
you know I've been doing a huge number

2168
01:37:17,140 --> 01:37:14,400
of readings recently because I recently

2169
01:37:20,990 --> 01:37:17,150
collaborated on this little historical

2170
01:37:23,509 --> 01:37:21,000
video this little mini documentary with

2171
01:37:25,939 --> 01:37:23,519
Gaia called the hidden history of Tarot

2172
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:25,949
and that's up on YouTube now and I was

2173
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:28,110
so pleased with how it came out that to

2174
01:37:33,919 --> 01:37:30,449
celebrate on social media I offered

2175
01:37:37,370 --> 01:37:33,929
people free three-card tarot readings

2176
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:37,380
and so I got hundreds of people who took

2177
01:37:41,930 --> 01:37:39,570
me up on this and I spent fourth of July

2178
01:37:43,939 --> 01:37:41,940
weekend sort of intensively doing these

2179
01:37:45,709 --> 01:37:43,949
three card readings for people and it

2180
01:37:47,930 --> 01:37:45,719
was very gratifying and very interesting

2181
01:37:49,759 --> 01:37:47,940
but it gave me insight into the into the

2182
01:37:53,270 --> 01:37:49,769
process and one of the things I've found

2183
01:37:54,890 --> 01:37:53,280
is that Tarot can I I mean it has many

2184
01:37:57,890 --> 01:37:54,900
different dimensions to it but it can

2185
01:37:59,060 --> 01:37:57,900
also be a psychological snapshot of what

2186
01:38:00,410 --> 01:37:59,070
you're thinking what you're going

2187
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:00,420
through what you're in to itting at that

2188
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:03,090
moment which is why it can change so

2189
01:38:06,410 --> 01:38:04,800
quickly but I think there's something

2190
01:38:08,089 --> 01:38:06,420
deeper than that going on because I was

2191
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:08,099
doing readings for people who were at a

2192
01:38:14,209 --> 01:38:12,480
a great physical geographical removed

2193
01:38:16,399 --> 01:38:14,219
from me and sometimes there were points

2194
01:38:18,859 --> 01:38:16,409
in the readings that hit upon real

2195
01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:18,869
intimate details of their lives and it

2196
01:38:24,410 --> 01:38:21,030
was it was quite remarkable in certain

2197
01:38:26,990 --> 01:38:24,420
cases explain of three-card spread for

2198
01:38:28,729 --> 01:38:27,000
everybody we have once a year we do a

2199
01:38:32,540 --> 01:38:28,739
tarot reading here on the show on

2200
01:38:33,859 --> 01:38:32,550
Halloween with one of them one of our

2201
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:33,869
favorite guests has been with us for

2202
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:38,400
years but listening to the happened you

2203
01:38:42,620 --> 01:38:40,800
know very quick yeah I don't think the

2204
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:42,630
audience necessarily understands what's

2205
01:38:46,729 --> 01:38:44,400
going on what's a three card spread a

2206
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:46,739
three card spread is a very simple

2207
01:38:51,709 --> 01:38:49,920
spread that that was actually come up

2208
01:38:54,140 --> 01:38:51,719
with by my friend Robert place who's a

2209
01:38:56,359 --> 01:38:54,150
great artist and historian of Tarot and

2210
01:38:58,609 --> 01:38:56,369
what you do is you basically you shuffle

2211
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:58,619
the deck thoroughly you lay it out you

2212
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:01,199
into it which cards you want to pick

2213
01:39:05,509 --> 01:39:03,360
turn them over you ignore reverse cards

2214
01:39:07,939 --> 01:39:05,519
you don't get involved with reverse cars

2215
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:07,949
which is actually part of my practice I

2216
01:39:12,379 --> 01:39:09,119
think we get too obsessed with the

2217
01:39:14,149 --> 01:39:12,389
meaning of reversed cards and you turn

2218
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:14,159
over the three cards and you look at

2219
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:16,170
them and you try to find a storyline

2220
01:39:19,370 --> 01:39:17,489
within them almost as if you were

2221
01:39:21,529 --> 01:39:19,380
looking at a comic strip now sometimes

2222
01:39:23,959 --> 01:39:21,539
you will find a left-to-right flow a

2223
01:39:25,549 --> 01:39:23,969
right-to-left flow other times you'll

2224
01:39:27,739 --> 01:39:25,559
find the two cards on either end

2225
01:39:30,739 --> 01:39:27,749
impacting on the center card but the

2226
01:39:32,569 --> 01:39:30,749
accuracy if these simple readings can

2227
01:39:35,299 --> 01:39:32,579
really be extraordinary they can almost

2228
01:39:36,770 --> 01:39:35,309
be like this this this core sample of

2229
01:39:39,020 --> 01:39:36,780
what somebody is going through it at the

2230
01:39:40,729 --> 01:39:39,030
moment and I tend to really gravitate

2231
01:39:42,649 --> 01:39:40,739
towards things that are simple and that

2232
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:42,659
are essential and that are basic and for

2233
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:44,639
that reason I like the three-card spread

2234
01:39:49,100 --> 01:39:47,489
do you have a favorite spread my

2235
01:39:50,899 --> 01:39:49,110
favorite is really the three-card you

2236
01:39:53,149 --> 01:39:50,909
know I've been practicing it for years

2237
01:39:55,129 --> 01:39:53,159
once after place taught it to me and

2238
01:39:56,979 --> 01:39:55,139
I've never moved away from it I always

2239
01:40:00,469 --> 01:39:56,989
found that there's so much psychological

2240
01:40:02,569 --> 01:40:00,479
texture within the weight psmith deck

2241
01:40:04,729 --> 01:40:02,579
for example none of this I think can be

2242
01:40:07,759 --> 01:40:04,739
captured by the gummy bear deck that

2243
01:40:10,100 --> 01:40:07,769
when you lay out these cards in in in in

2244
01:40:12,500 --> 01:40:10,110
a spread of three you could find out a

2245
01:40:16,399 --> 01:40:12,510
whole epic story within it now what

2246
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:16,409
about you okay so what if you do 250

2247
01:40:20,089 --> 01:40:19,050
right you just said right did you see

2248
01:40:23,330 --> 01:40:20,099
anything

2249
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:23,340
repetitive did you see a pattern between

2250
01:40:29,209 --> 01:40:26,130
all of those readings well the pattern

2251
01:40:30,949 --> 01:40:29,219
that I saw were really in the nature of

2252
01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:30,959
the questions the three most popular

2253
01:40:35,660 --> 01:40:32,729
questions that came up again and again

2254
01:40:37,399 --> 01:40:35,670
were career romance and inner

2255
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:37,409
development once in a while somebody

2256
01:40:40,370 --> 01:40:39,119
would ask something about health once in

2257
01:40:43,009 --> 01:40:40,380
a while somebody would ask something

2258
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:43,019
about geography but it was and in that

2259
01:40:49,489 --> 01:40:45,650
order in that order career or money

2260
01:40:50,750 --> 01:40:49,499
romance and inner development and there

2261
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:50,760
were some people who were embarrassed

2262
01:40:55,009 --> 01:40:52,320
who said to me gee I hate to ask such a

2263
01:40:56,419 --> 01:40:55,019
standard question about my job or about

2264
01:40:58,549 --> 01:40:56,429
money or about my love life but I

2265
01:41:00,140 --> 01:40:58,559
thought to myself nobody should ever be

2266
01:41:02,660 --> 01:41:00,150
embarrassed by these questions this is

2267
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:02,670
the stuff of life this is what we do I

2268
01:41:07,989 --> 01:41:05,489
mean we're here to be generative we're

2269
01:41:10,429 --> 01:41:07,999
here to be productive we're here in

2270
01:41:13,060 --> 01:41:10,439
relationships I mean you know things

2271
01:41:14,839 --> 01:41:13,070
about career and money often cut to the

2272
01:41:17,419 --> 01:41:14,849
essence of

2273
01:41:19,310 --> 01:41:17,429
a person feels he or she is doing with

2274
01:41:21,949 --> 01:41:19,320
life and of course relationships are all

2275
01:41:23,359 --> 01:41:21,959
important and and people have questions

2276
01:41:25,339 --> 01:41:23,369
about their inner development but I

2277
01:41:28,159 --> 01:41:25,349
never wanted anybody to feel shy or

2278
01:41:29,839 --> 01:41:28,169
embarrassed by asking a material

2279
01:41:31,849 --> 01:41:29,849
question matters of money matters of

2280
01:41:34,459 --> 01:41:31,859
sexuality matters of relationships

2281
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:34,469
matters of where do I live these things

2282
01:41:40,009 --> 01:41:36,449
to me are sacred questions I don't think

2283
01:41:41,659 --> 01:41:40,019
people have to a sorta dandy up or clean

2284
01:41:43,790 --> 01:41:41,669
up their questions not with me at least

2285
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:43,800
I feel these things are they cut to the

2286
01:41:47,239 --> 01:41:45,449
essence of what we're doing with our

2287
01:41:48,889 --> 01:41:47,249
lives yeah absolutely when somebody

2288
01:41:52,250 --> 01:41:48,899
asked about their job well quite

2289
01:41:54,349 --> 01:41:52,260
honestly that they are concerned about

2290
01:41:56,359 --> 01:41:54,359
their job right there yeah I'm asking

2291
01:41:58,099 --> 01:41:56,369
about anything else do you do readings

2292
01:42:01,549 --> 01:41:58,109
with friends with people that you are

2293
01:42:03,649 --> 01:42:01,559
intimately you have relationships with I

2294
01:42:06,139 --> 01:42:03,659
do all the time does it get you in

2295
01:42:08,209 --> 01:42:06,149
trouble I don't think I've ever gotten

2296
01:42:09,949 --> 01:42:08,219
in trouble but I'll always be blunt with

2297
01:42:12,199 --> 01:42:09,959
people you know I mean I'm never gonna

2298
01:42:13,819 --> 01:42:12,209
hide the death card from number

2299
01:42:17,149 --> 01:42:13,829
something else that you know might cause

2300
01:42:18,679 --> 01:42:17,159
alarm I I feel like whether I'm doing it

2301
01:42:20,689 --> 01:42:18,689
for an intimate friend whether I'm doing

2302
01:42:22,339 --> 01:42:20,699
it for myself whether I'm doing it for

2303
01:42:24,949 --> 01:42:22,349
somebody who's at the remove of social

2304
01:42:27,919 --> 01:42:24,959
media I never want to mislead people you

2305
01:42:30,219 --> 01:42:27,929
know I I will I will lay out the deck

2306
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:30,229
and and I'll describe to them exactly

2307
01:42:35,239 --> 01:42:33,090
what I see I'll never you know try to

2308
01:42:37,310 --> 01:42:35,249
hide things or spin them in a certain

2309
01:42:40,219 --> 01:42:37,320
direction I think the New Age culture

2310
01:42:43,580 --> 01:42:40,229
has gotten too hung up on trying to spin

2311
01:42:45,500 --> 01:42:43,590
everything as you know it's Rosie

2312
01:42:47,029 --> 01:42:45,510
opposite if you get the death card if

2313
01:42:49,339 --> 01:42:47,039
you get the tower if you get something

2314
01:42:51,290 --> 01:42:49,349
that seems foreboding well you know

2315
01:42:53,029 --> 01:42:51,300
sometimes life has these episodes for us

2316
01:42:54,739 --> 01:42:53,039
and sometimes these are the episodes

2317
01:42:56,659 --> 01:42:54,749
that prove to be spring boards that

2318
01:42:58,669 --> 01:42:56,669
actually deliver us to something that we

2319
01:43:00,379 --> 01:42:58,679
desperately need so I always try to be

2320
01:43:04,369 --> 01:43:00,389
very blunt with people about what I find

2321
01:43:07,159 --> 01:43:04,379
was was terror always used the way it is

2322
01:43:09,679 --> 01:43:07,169
today no Tarot really began in the

2323
01:43:12,500 --> 01:43:09,689
Middle Ages as a game again was it a

2324
01:43:14,149 --> 01:43:12,510
gimmick or a game again it was precursor

2325
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:14,159
to bridge but what a lot of people don't

2326
01:43:20,419 --> 01:43:16,530
understand when they hear that is that

2327
01:43:22,819 --> 01:43:20,429
in the Middle Ages a game was something

2328
01:43:24,589 --> 01:43:22,829
that had much more gravity than it does

2329
01:43:26,089 --> 01:43:24,599
today today we think of a game as

2330
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:26,099
something frivolous but in the Middle

2331
01:43:31,740 --> 01:43:28,210
Ages a game could

2332
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:31,750
something that had grave and very

2333
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:33,730
serious meaning attached to it like just

2334
01:43:37,890 --> 01:43:35,410
look at the images that you find on the

2335
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:37,900
oldest cards these are images that were

2336
01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:39,610
part of the religious life of the

2337
01:43:46,170 --> 01:43:43,840
Western world the Grim Reaper the Pope

2338
01:43:48,630 --> 01:43:46,180
the juggler or the magician

2339
01:43:50,270 --> 01:43:48,640
the Empress angels these were the

2340
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:50,280
figures that you saw on stained-glass

2341
01:43:55,470 --> 01:43:53,410
windows if you want to understand Tarot

2342
01:43:58,110 --> 01:43:55,480
understand stained-glass windows these

2343
01:44:01,709 --> 01:43:58,120
were sacred works of art that came out

2344
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:01,719
of Middle Ages passion plays these were

2345
01:44:06,810 --> 01:44:04,330
influenced by mystical Christianity by

2346
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:06,820
hermetic thoughts so when I say taro

2347
01:44:11,729 --> 01:44:09,489
began as a game some people take umbrage

2348
01:44:15,810 --> 01:44:11,739
of that but we don't always understand

2349
01:44:19,860 --> 01:44:15,820
that everything in Middle Ages and early

2350
01:44:22,490 --> 01:44:19,870
Renaissance life was a matter of great

2351
01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:22,500
seriousness anything that went beyond

2352
01:44:27,900 --> 01:44:25,450
labor was a matter of great seriousness

2353
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:27,910
and was a beaut with religious

2354
01:44:31,290 --> 01:44:29,770
philosophy with religious meaning with

2355
01:44:34,470 --> 01:44:31,300
humanity's sense of itself it's

2356
01:44:36,810 --> 01:44:34,480
belonging to some sort of scale that led

2357
01:44:38,370 --> 01:44:36,820
from our course material life up to the

2358
01:44:41,580 --> 01:44:38,380
heavens and these were the images that

2359
01:44:45,150 --> 01:44:41,590
were used on the tarot deck so it was it

2360
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:45,160
was a game but it at that that term had

2361
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:48,010
much greater meaning and gravity well

2362
01:44:53,820 --> 01:44:51,489
what period what period are we talking

2363
01:44:57,300 --> 01:44:53,830
about what year we're talking about the

2364
01:44:59,610 --> 01:44:57,310
the late 1300s early 14th hundreds those

2365
01:45:01,610 --> 01:44:59,620
are the oldest examples that we have of

2366
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:01,620
tarot cards that would be in any way

2367
01:45:05,610 --> 01:45:04,090
recognizable to us today interesting

2368
01:45:09,060 --> 01:45:05,620
okay so now we're talking about the

2369
01:45:11,490 --> 01:45:09,070
serious Renaissance right yeah and when

2370
01:45:14,250 --> 01:45:11,500
did the how long did that last and when

2371
01:45:16,590 --> 01:45:14,260
did the change who was responsible for

2372
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:16,600
the changes that ended up happening well

2373
01:45:20,610 --> 01:45:18,250
it's interesting you know in in the

2374
01:45:23,580 --> 01:45:20,620
first decks emerged in Florence Italy

2375
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:23,590
but later the region of Marseille and

2376
01:45:28,050 --> 01:45:25,930
France became known as a center of tower

2377
01:45:31,020 --> 01:45:28,060
production which is why the Marseille

2378
01:45:33,390 --> 01:45:31,030
deck is probably one of the oldest fully

2379
01:45:37,740 --> 01:45:33,400
intact decks that we have but it wasn't

2380
01:45:41,850 --> 01:45:37,750
until the mmm wasn't until basically

2381
01:45:45,090 --> 01:45:41,860
like the 1790s that Tarot began to

2382
01:45:47,010 --> 01:45:45,100
it used as a fortune-telling device and

2383
01:45:49,950 --> 01:45:47,020
it wasn't until about a hundred years

2384
01:45:51,689 --> 01:45:49,960
later that Pamela Coleman Smith designed

2385
01:45:54,270 --> 01:45:51,699
the deck that's so familiar to us today

2386
01:45:57,290 --> 01:45:54,280
where the minor Trump's for example and

2387
01:45:59,939 --> 01:45:57,300
the court cards were imbued with these

2388
01:46:02,669 --> 01:45:59,949
magnificent mysterious illustrations so

2389
01:46:04,109 --> 01:46:02,679
Tarot is really a modern device but

2390
01:46:06,180 --> 01:46:04,119
nobody should feel that because

2391
01:46:08,129 --> 01:46:06,190
something is modern that means it

2392
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:08,139
doesn't have potency traditions have to

2393
01:46:12,930 --> 01:46:10,570
start somewhere the Tower of Marseilles

2394
01:46:17,879 --> 01:46:12,940
deck is a lot more sparsely illustrated

2395
01:46:20,669 --> 01:46:17,889
from the 1400s than the the Coleman than

2396
01:46:24,959 --> 01:46:20,679
the Smith wait deck which was developed

2397
01:46:27,570 --> 01:46:24,969
in the 1890s the two are are leaps apart

2398
01:46:30,750 --> 01:46:27,580
but the fact that Tarot is in many

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01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:30,760
regards a modern development doesn't

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01:46:34,350 --> 01:46:33,070
mean that there's not gravity to it that

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01:46:35,879 --> 01:46:34,360
there's not serious to it the

2402
01:46:38,010 --> 01:46:35,889
seriousness to it something doesn't have

2403
01:46:41,419 --> 01:46:38,020
to have an ancient antecedent in order

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01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:41,429
to have meaning so when did it go from

2405
01:46:49,979 --> 01:46:44,250
fortune-telling which I would almost

2406
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:49,989
lean on maybe chemic right to today

2407
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:51,610
where it is you know it's a very serious

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01:46:57,479 --> 01:46:54,400
practice today we have that transition

2409
01:46:59,700 --> 01:46:57,489
happen well in the 1790s you know people

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01:47:02,040 --> 01:46:59,710
began to use it for divinatory purposes

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01:47:04,740 --> 01:47:02,050
and that was really the first time that

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01:47:07,410 --> 01:47:04,750
you began to encounter Tarot as a

2413
01:47:10,260 --> 01:47:07,420
popular tool of divination and

2414
01:47:12,750 --> 01:47:10,270
fortune-telling and then it was probably

2415
01:47:14,430 --> 01:47:12,760
with the occult revival beginning in the

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01:47:17,879 --> 01:47:14,440
mid to late 19th century that people

2417
01:47:20,910 --> 01:47:17,889
began to look upon Tarot as a vessel as

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01:47:23,609 --> 01:47:20,920
a time capsule of hermetic or ancient

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01:47:25,950 --> 01:47:23,619
Egyptian ideas and again you know that's

2420
01:47:28,229 --> 01:47:25,960
really a modern perception I do think it

2421
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:28,239
is a vessel for hermetic ideas but it

2422
01:47:32,490 --> 01:47:30,850
doesn't have these specific roots in

2423
01:47:33,959 --> 01:47:32,500
ancient Egypt doesn't have a family tree

2424
01:47:37,229 --> 01:47:33,969
that goes back to ancient Egypt that's

2425
01:47:40,020 --> 01:47:37,239
basically invention but the fact is it

2426
01:47:42,450 --> 01:47:40,030
is a vessel for certain hermetic ideas

2427
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:42,460
and as people began to grok to that and

2428
01:47:46,500 --> 01:47:44,650
began to grok to the mystical allegory

2429
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:46,510
that appeared some of these cards again

2430
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:49,449
images of the angel the Pope death the

2431
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:51,489
magician these are images that are very

2432
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:53,920
deep spiritual archetypes in the Western

2433
01:47:58,439 --> 01:47:55,090
mind

2434
01:48:00,240 --> 01:47:58,449
to late 19th century people began to get

2435
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:00,250
more serious about the interpretations

2436
01:48:06,570 --> 01:48:04,239
of Tarot and that's really the the the

2437
01:48:08,490 --> 01:48:06,580
the point of view that's informed our

2438
01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:08,500
perspective today you know we those of

2439
01:48:12,300 --> 01:48:10,719
us who are into Tarot as I am take it

2440
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:12,310
very seriously today but taking it

2441
01:48:16,020 --> 01:48:14,170
seriously doesn't mean that you have to

2442
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:16,030
turn a blind eye to its history it has a

2443
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:19,360
modern history but that modern history

2444
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:22,690
has also served as a vessel for hermetic

2445
01:48:27,839 --> 01:48:25,360
ideas and ideas that really cut to the

2446
01:48:30,839 --> 01:48:27,849
archetypes of Western spiritual images

2447
01:48:33,780 --> 01:48:30,849
no did did Joan Quigley

2448
01:48:36,060 --> 01:48:33,790
Tarot not that I know of she was pretty

2449
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:36,070
exclusively an astrologer and she was

2450
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:38,080
also a high society astrologer Joan

2451
01:48:43,620 --> 01:48:40,239
Quigley was Nancy Reagan's astrologer

2452
01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:43,630
was came from a wealthy family a very

2453
01:48:48,330 --> 01:48:45,760
high tone background in San Francisco

2454
01:48:51,359 --> 01:48:48,340
and she was politically conservative and

2455
01:48:53,669 --> 01:48:51,369
she tended to do astrological readings

2456
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:53,679
for people who came from the upper crust

2457
01:48:57,060 --> 01:48:56,050
of society like Nancy Reagan I was just

2458
01:49:00,120 --> 01:48:57,070
wondering if there was any tarot

2459
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:00,130
readings going down on 1600 Pennsylvania

2460
01:49:05,339 --> 01:49:02,650
well I will tell you this and I write

2461
01:49:07,859 --> 01:49:05,349
about this in one simple idea Ronald

2462
01:49:10,649 --> 01:49:07,869
Reagan was pals during his moviemaking

2463
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:10,659
days with a woman named Eden gray who

2464
01:49:14,970 --> 01:49:12,730
wrote some of the first popular guides

2465
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:14,980
to Tarot some of your listeners probably

2466
01:49:19,379 --> 01:49:17,050
know the name Eden grey she's she she

2467
01:49:22,140 --> 01:49:19,389
produced some popular Tarot guides in

2468
01:49:24,359 --> 01:49:22,150
the early 1960s up through the 1970s and

2469
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:24,369
she and Reagan were in one movie

2470
01:49:28,770 --> 01:49:26,530
together and they were friendly now when

2471
01:49:34,620 --> 01:49:28,780
we talk about meth it just freaks me out

2472
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:34,630
oh oh oh oh oh I meant to ask you the

2473
01:49:41,879 --> 01:49:39,610
cover of I think it was the Economist do

2474
01:49:44,339 --> 01:49:41,889
you remember the tarot cards that were

2475
01:49:46,979 --> 01:49:44,349
created for that cover when Trump was

2476
01:49:50,310 --> 01:49:46,989
elected I do not but I'd like to see

2477
01:49:53,370 --> 01:49:50,320
that hey just what just popped up on

2478
01:49:56,660 --> 01:49:53,380
Twitter right now well let me get this

2479
01:50:00,540 --> 01:49:56,670
over to you so you can actually see this

2480
01:50:03,060 --> 01:50:00,550
there was a lot of controversy behind

2481
01:50:05,740 --> 01:50:03,070
this let me I mean make sure you're hit

2482
01:50:12,890 --> 01:50:08,900
to dirt order to deter - there you are

2483
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:12,900
son my hands are trembling yeah this is

2484
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:15,930
this is pretty nutty stuff here and when

2485
01:50:19,820 --> 01:50:18,210
this hit okay you've got it you've got

2486
01:50:23,110 --> 01:50:19,830
it Mitch

2487
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:23,120
when these cards hit there was so much

2488
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:28,410
put behind this so take a quick peek at

2489
01:50:32,510 --> 01:50:30,090
that all right I'm going to your page

2490
01:50:36,620 --> 01:50:32,520
right now hang on one second you go to

2491
01:50:37,790 --> 01:50:36,630
yours too now okay this is on Twitter

2492
01:50:39,950 --> 01:50:37,800
yeah

2493
01:50:44,690 --> 01:50:39,960
oh I see somebody posted Barry's way

2494
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:44,700
Bravo yeah yeah I'm not seeing it I'm

2495
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:47,040
sorry to say I don't know why I'm on the

2496
01:50:51,890 --> 01:50:49,290
fade to black page right now but it's

2497
01:50:54,620 --> 01:50:51,900
right there go to your page and this is

2498
01:50:57,460 --> 01:50:54,630
live radio I apologize for Africa that's

2499
01:51:02,600 --> 01:50:57,470
okay folks you know we don't make it up

2500
01:51:05,500 --> 01:51:02,610
right right and I did like a week of

2501
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:05,510
shows on this I had a bunch of people uh

2502
01:51:10,700 --> 01:51:09,090
okay well go and look for it

2503
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:10,710
during the break and we'll come back to

2504
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:13,650
that but when we talk about our occult

2505
01:51:20,060 --> 01:51:17,520
and occulted history and so much has

2506
01:51:22,250 --> 01:51:20,070
been made about Reagan let let me move

2507
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:22,260
forward a little bit and as some of the

2508
01:51:25,490 --> 01:51:24,090
other problem I see the image now by the

2509
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:25,500
way sorry to interrupt you

2510
01:51:31,700 --> 01:51:29,010
apologies yeah okay yeah there we are

2511
01:51:34,100 --> 01:51:31,710
yeah those are great images they're

2512
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:34,110
they're actually a nice tribute to

2513
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:37,290
Pamela Coleman Smith sparks but they're

2514
01:51:41,990 --> 01:51:40,170
foreboding you know well I want you to

2515
01:51:44,090 --> 01:51:42,000
take a look at this a little bit more I

2516
01:51:46,340 --> 01:51:44,100
want your comments on it because these

2517
01:51:49,610 --> 01:51:46,350
cards and you look at the star card

2518
01:51:52,130 --> 01:51:49,620
right and and what may be an asteroid

2519
01:51:54,140 --> 01:51:52,140
may it may be a comment I don't know but

2520
01:51:58,910 --> 01:51:54,150
each one of these stars has a face in it

2521
01:52:02,060 --> 01:51:58,920
and and so you need to kind of but every

2522
01:52:04,250 --> 01:52:02,070
one of these you can take a look and see

2523
01:52:06,500 --> 01:52:04,260
the meaning behind it it's it's pretty

2524
01:52:08,110 --> 01:52:06,510
in there we'll come back and you know

2525
01:52:11,950 --> 01:52:08,120
what I want you to take a look at those

2526
01:52:16,460 --> 01:52:11,960
but what about the Clinton White House

2527
01:52:21,410 --> 01:52:16,470
hmm you know what about Bush one bushed

2528
01:52:23,270 --> 01:52:21,420
ooh Obama was there anything occulted

2529
01:52:32,290 --> 01:52:23,280
about those administration's or was

2530
01:52:40,270 --> 01:52:35,750
Mitch you have disappeared

2531
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:40,280
did you hit mute on your microphone Oh

2532
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:47,510
now that is absolute bizarro world right

2533
01:52:52,430 --> 01:52:48,570
there I've lost

2534
01:52:57,730 --> 01:52:52,440
Mitch and I am just gonna reset Mitch

2535
01:53:00,770 --> 01:52:57,740
how's that I mean mute and I am going to

2536
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:00,780
that's that's bizarre just absolutely

2537
01:53:13,460 --> 01:53:07,890
lost Mitch completely huh

2538
01:53:17,330 --> 01:53:13,470
okay we'll see what's going on with that

2539
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:17,340
that's a strange to have happen as I

2540
01:53:23,180 --> 01:53:19,440
whip out the I think it was the

2541
01:53:26,930 --> 01:53:23,190
Economist a Rothschild publication

2542
01:53:30,140 --> 01:53:26,940
actually yeah we have lost Mitch we have

2543
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:30,150
lost Mitch to to to to to to to to come

2544
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:33,210
on Mitch come back to me something must

2545
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:36,050
have happened on in it and on his end

2546
01:53:45,110 --> 01:53:41,690
okay that's that's a strange that is

2547
01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:45,120
very bizarre and what's bizarre about it

2548
01:53:50,770 --> 01:53:47,450
and you're watching me right now is

2549
01:53:56,030 --> 01:53:50,780
everything is solid everything is solid

2550
01:54:00,320 --> 01:53:56,040
everywhere except for that yeah we have

2551
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:00,330
lost Mitch okay I am going to alternate

2552
01:54:05,300 --> 01:54:02,490
with this right now and take a

2553
01:54:07,910 --> 01:54:05,310
commercial break one minute early and I

2554
01:54:09,890 --> 01:54:07,920
will do everything to get Mitch Horowitz

2555
01:54:11,090 --> 01:54:09,900
back during this next commercial break

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this is fade to black

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our murals Jimmy Church I'm the game

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Church on any phone anytime anywhere

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[Music]

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01:58:54,350 --> 01:58:51,720
you wanna know a secret I love ponies I

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01:58:56,970 --> 01:58:54,360
really love ponies I'm serious I

2662
01:59:00,870 --> 01:58:56,980
couldn't stay stable without poor mr.

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01:59:06,090 --> 01:59:00,880
Brooks why fade to black because you

2664
01:59:10,090 --> 01:59:07,960
this is fade to black

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01:59:13,780 --> 01:59:10,100
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2666
01:59:16,150 --> 01:59:13,790
radio network and kgr a the global radio

2667
01:59:28,109 --> 01:59:16,160
alliance

2668
01:59:32,290 --> 01:59:30,070
welcome back faith the black coming

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01:59:36,729 --> 01:59:32,300
hosting a church guess tonight Mitch

2670
01:59:40,060 --> 01:59:36,739
Horowitz amazing conversation follow me

2671
01:59:43,390 --> 01:59:40,070
on Twitter @ JT radio hashtag f to B is

2672
01:59:45,790 --> 01:59:43,400
the sandbox Mitch Horowitz is there you

2673
01:59:48,640 --> 01:59:45,800
can follow Mitch admits a Mitch Horowitz

2674
01:59:51,250 --> 01:59:48,650
and now Mitch right before the break oh

2675
01:59:58,870 --> 01:59:51,260
by the way when I was sports casting

2676
02:00:07,540 --> 01:59:58,880
yeah never a technical glitch ever yes

2677
02:00:10,890 --> 02:00:07,550
are talking conspiracy theory I used to

2678
02:00:16,629 --> 02:00:10,900
get so upset and and it's just now it's

2679
02:00:18,700 --> 02:00:16,639
whatever you know I I get it we our

2680
02:00:20,050 --> 02:00:18,710
latest series on History Channel

2681
02:00:22,870 --> 02:00:20,060
premiered a couple of weeks ago in the

2682
02:00:25,180 --> 02:00:22,880
in the first episode straight out went

2683
02:00:28,510 --> 02:00:25,190
straight at the CIA and I'm naming names

2684
02:00:30,790 --> 02:00:28,520
and government surveillance and and and

2685
02:00:33,339 --> 02:00:30,800
pokemons go and just just went straight

2686
02:00:36,910 --> 02:00:33,349
out and I thought I said to read I said

2687
02:00:41,589 --> 02:00:36,920
well if I wasn't on the radar I am now

2688
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:41,599
so let's say I do a streaming talk show

2689
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:43,010
called one simple idea and I was

2690
02:00:48,100 --> 02:00:45,290
interviewing the channel or Paul Selleck

2691
02:00:49,390 --> 02:00:48,110
was a good friend of mine and we were

2692
02:00:51,700 --> 02:00:49,400
shooting in the studio here in New York

2693
02:00:53,859 --> 02:00:51,710
City and the director was absolutely

2694
02:00:57,370 --> 02:00:53,869
shocked that after Paul and I spoke for

2695
02:01:00,010 --> 02:00:57,380
about one hour every source of audio

2696
02:01:02,200 --> 02:01:00,020
failed including a variety of backups

2697
02:01:03,910 --> 02:01:02,210
everything failed and he thought there

2698
02:01:06,070 --> 02:01:03,920
was some ghost in the machine and Paul

2699
02:01:08,169 --> 02:01:06,080
to his great credit came back the very

2700
02:01:10,540 --> 02:01:08,179
next day did the whole show over with me

2701
02:01:12,310 --> 02:01:10,550
but the director was absolutely shocked

2702
02:01:15,790 --> 02:01:12,320
because he had never seen every failsafe

2703
02:01:17,680 --> 02:01:15,800
go bad and it just it all went on the

2704
02:01:19,689 --> 02:01:17,690
blank it was unprecedented I just rolled

2705
02:01:22,050 --> 02:01:19,699
with the punches now that's happens all

2706
02:01:29,410 --> 02:01:22,060
I do yeah now speaking of the Clintons

2707
02:01:31,720 --> 02:01:29,420
when the the factual side of Ronald and

2708
02:01:34,149 --> 02:01:31,730
Nancy Reagan and and their connections

2709
02:01:36,729 --> 02:01:34,159
to this ok that's documented but what

2710
02:01:39,010 --> 02:01:36,739
about everything after that anything

2711
02:01:40,399 --> 02:01:39,020
else bleed into the White House they've

2712
02:01:43,310 --> 02:01:40,409
got a lot more boring after

2713
02:01:45,049 --> 02:01:43,320
you know Bill Clinton had been part of a

2714
02:01:48,489 --> 02:01:45,059
Masonic Youth Organization when he was a

2715
02:01:50,989 --> 02:01:48,499
kid but he never took free Masonic rites

2716
02:01:52,580 --> 02:01:50,999
Obama was interested in Emerson and the

2717
02:01:54,589 --> 02:01:52,590
transcendentalist but you know there was

2718
02:01:57,319 --> 02:01:54,599
nothing that really went on there that

2719
02:01:59,359 --> 02:01:57,329
was unusual actually within george w

2720
02:02:00,979 --> 02:01:59,369
bush's Whitehouse there were some cool

2721
02:02:02,629 --> 02:02:00,989
stories about ghosts in the White House

2722
02:02:04,129 --> 02:02:02,639
that his daughters talked about I had

2723
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:04,139
posted about that on Facebook a while

2724
02:02:07,669 --> 02:02:06,090
ago actually so he had a couple of good

2725
02:02:09,140 --> 02:02:07,679
ghost stories that came out of george w

2726
02:02:12,250 --> 02:02:09,150
bush's White House then there was a

2727
02:02:14,540 --> 02:02:12,260
spurious story about Melania Trump

2728
02:02:16,850 --> 02:02:14,550
authorizing some sort of an exorcism in

2729
02:02:19,279 --> 02:02:16,860
the West Wing but that seems to be you

2730
02:02:21,169 --> 02:02:19,289
know just kind of made-up fantasy so

2731
02:02:23,089 --> 02:02:21,179
what we really need is a president who's

2732
02:02:24,649 --> 02:02:23,099
gonna bring all this stuff back into the

2733
02:02:27,379 --> 02:02:24,659
White House you know we need the Ouija

2734
02:02:28,640 --> 02:02:27,389
board and Jean Dixon the Masonic

2735
02:02:30,830 --> 02:02:28,650
connection back in the White House the

2736
02:02:33,859 --> 02:02:30,840
last president who is a full-fledged

2737
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:33,869
freemason was the mysterious Gerald Ford

2738
02:02:39,140 --> 02:02:37,530
it was the very last one you know I I

2739
02:02:42,169 --> 02:02:39,150
enjoyed your comments earlier about

2740
02:02:44,810 --> 02:02:42,179
getting fired when you were doing you

2741
02:02:47,359 --> 02:02:44,820
know political stuff yes sir you know

2742
02:02:50,689 --> 02:02:47,369
and that that's that's just awesome and

2743
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:50,699
I don't do I don't do politics here at

2744
02:02:54,739 --> 02:02:52,800
all I do the conspiracy of politics all

2745
02:02:58,879 --> 02:02:54,749
day long but I just don't discuss

2746
02:03:01,879 --> 02:02:58,889
politics but here we are today we've

2747
02:03:04,729 --> 02:03:01,889
always wanted disclosure this community

2748
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:04,739
wants these subjects discuss they want

2749
02:03:10,279 --> 02:03:06,570
confirmation from the very highest

2750
02:03:15,379 --> 02:03:10,289
offices and and now we have a president

2751
02:03:17,479 --> 02:03:15,389
who is fully embracing every conspiracy

2752
02:03:20,330 --> 02:03:17,489
theory we've ever thought about right

2753
02:03:24,409 --> 02:03:20,340
and it's just it's like be careful what

2754
02:03:25,969 --> 02:03:24,419
you wish for yeah and and so when you're

2755
02:03:27,890 --> 02:03:25,979
talking about we need it back in the

2756
02:03:29,679 --> 02:03:27,900
White House I wouldn't doubt it if

2757
02:03:32,929 --> 02:03:29,689
there's a Ouija board over there now

2758
02:03:34,640 --> 02:03:32,939
well you know I think if the occult in

2759
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:34,650
conspiracy theories is different things

2760
02:03:38,629 --> 02:03:36,570
you know people tend to get into this us

2761
02:03:40,040 --> 02:03:38,639
versus them mindset with conspiracy

2762
02:03:42,500 --> 02:03:40,050
theories where's the occult

2763
02:03:45,140 --> 02:03:42,510
my hope is that what we're really doing

2764
02:03:48,589 --> 02:03:45,150
is searching for an unseen world and an

2765
02:03:50,899 --> 02:03:48,599
unseen world whose forces and and and

2766
02:03:52,129 --> 02:03:50,909
and properties can be felt on us and

2767
02:03:53,909 --> 02:03:52,139
through us you know it's it's really

2768
02:03:55,889 --> 02:03:53,919
part of the individual search

2769
02:03:59,339 --> 02:03:55,899
I don't think much of that is going out

2770
02:04:04,020 --> 02:03:59,349
over the West Wing right now to put it

2771
02:04:06,239 --> 02:04:04,030
mildly and I'm almost nervous just even

2772
02:04:09,239 --> 02:04:06,249
talking about it a little bit you know

2773
02:04:12,359 --> 02:04:09,249
it's it's it's a strange time that we

2774
02:04:17,189 --> 02:04:12,369
live in right now I feel this shift I

2775
02:04:19,620 --> 02:04:17,199
you know I really do I really do and I'm

2776
02:04:24,929 --> 02:04:19,630
gonna stay right on this though if we

2777
02:04:28,889 --> 02:04:24,939
can the the other part of life that for

2778
02:04:33,149 --> 02:04:28,899
me is is becoming a reality is when you

2779
02:04:37,169 --> 02:04:33,159
have Silicon Valley heads of companies

2780
02:04:40,139 --> 02:04:37,179
you know Elon Musk you know pick pick

2781
02:04:42,569 --> 02:04:40,149
some you know enterpreneur out of

2782
02:04:45,479 --> 02:04:42,579
Silicon Valley right now that is talking

2783
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:45,489
about a holographic situation or that

2784
02:04:51,810 --> 02:04:49,360
we're living in some type of computer

2785
02:04:54,929 --> 02:04:51,820
simulation and that life is ones and

2786
02:04:56,609 --> 02:04:54,939
zeroes when we talk about that they know

2787
02:05:02,929 --> 02:04:56,619
something about quantum theory and

2788
02:05:07,439 --> 02:05:02,939
quantum mechanics and quantum mechanical

2789
02:05:11,299 --> 02:05:07,449
a is talking about and and if this

2790
02:05:15,060 --> 02:05:11,309
domino falls Mitch everything taro

2791
02:05:19,319 --> 02:05:15,070
Weegee life after death parallel worlds

2792
02:05:20,489 --> 02:05:19,329
it's all be a reality for us and the

2793
02:05:23,699 --> 02:05:20,499
rest of the world is going to have to

2794
02:05:26,609 --> 02:05:23,709
accept it you know the Achilles heel I

2795
02:05:29,790 --> 02:05:26,619
think of the Silicon Valley mindset is

2796
02:05:31,620 --> 02:05:29,800
this these guys have a certain degree of

2797
02:05:34,169 --> 02:05:31,630
hubris where they like talking about the

2798
02:05:38,429 --> 02:05:34,179
idea let's say creating a thinking

2799
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:38,439
machine and they like comparing binary

2800
02:05:45,810 --> 02:05:41,050
code and the manipulation of binary code

2801
02:05:48,929 --> 02:05:45,820
to some kind of deific act of creation

2802
02:05:51,149 --> 02:05:48,939
but the truth is we can't even define

2803
02:05:53,989 --> 02:05:51,159
consciousness itself you know I've never

2804
02:05:57,500 --> 02:05:53,999
heard a definition of consciousness that

2805
02:06:00,089 --> 02:05:57,510
adequately covers all the bases because

2806
02:06:03,330 --> 02:06:00,099
as we were talking about at the top of

2807
02:06:05,399 --> 02:06:03,340
the show we grew up in a world where

2808
02:06:07,380 --> 02:06:05,409
consciousness was really thought to be a

2809
02:06:08,850 --> 02:06:07,390
phenomenon that grew out of the gray

2810
02:06:13,070 --> 02:06:08,860
matter of the brain and we are

2811
02:06:18,690 --> 02:06:13,080
discovering beyond testimony actual

2812
02:06:20,850 --> 02:06:18,700
clinical data and information gathering

2813
02:06:25,650 --> 02:06:20,860
that demonstrates that consciousness is

2814
02:06:27,720 --> 02:06:25,660
also extra physical and the idea of what

2815
02:06:30,600 --> 02:06:27,730
thought is what awareness is what

2816
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:30,610
consciousness is has been challenged by

2817
02:06:36,030 --> 02:06:33,610
80 years of quantum physics experiments

2818
02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:36,040
has been challenged by neuroplasticity

2819
02:06:42,840 --> 02:06:40,930
by psychical research by really

2820
02:06:44,730 --> 02:06:42,850
deepening mysteries around the placebo

2821
02:06:47,400 --> 02:06:44,740
response right now which we haven't even

2822
02:06:49,170 --> 02:06:47,410
touched upon so these guys are talking

2823
02:06:51,270 --> 02:06:49,180
about the prospect of creating Thinking

2824
02:06:53,730 --> 02:06:51,280
Machines but we don't even know what

2825
02:06:56,520 --> 02:06:53,740
thinking is and I think there's almost

2826
02:06:59,370 --> 02:06:56,530
like this Titanic like quality where

2827
02:07:02,160 --> 02:06:59,380
we're developing this sense that we can

2828
02:07:05,250 --> 02:07:02,170
create something and yet we haven't even

2829
02:07:07,190 --> 02:07:05,260
defined what it is that that we're

2830
02:07:10,380 --> 02:07:07,200
creating there's this Frankenstein like

2831
02:07:14,700 --> 02:07:10,390
quality to some of this reasoning there

2832
02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:14,710
is and the the other part so this is for

2833
02:07:19,260 --> 02:07:17,170
me this is what I find fascinating we

2834
02:07:22,410 --> 02:07:19,270
touched upon it earlier where there

2835
02:07:25,250 --> 02:07:22,420
there's a very large part of this planet

2836
02:07:27,660 --> 02:07:25,260
that isn't concerned about anything

2837
02:07:30,330 --> 02:07:27,670
fantastical there is not they're

2838
02:07:32,120 --> 02:07:30,340
completely focused on the status quo we

2839
02:07:34,170 --> 02:07:32,130
have it's fine but it's also

2840
02:07:39,180 --> 02:07:34,180
indoctrination it's it's what we've been

2841
02:07:43,230 --> 02:07:39,190
taught but if something breaks where

2842
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:43,240
even those the very pragmatic is forced

2843
02:07:50,310 --> 02:07:47,290
into a whole nother paradigm shift is

2844
02:07:51,870 --> 02:07:50,320
that dangerous I mean I mean seriously

2845
02:07:55,950 --> 02:07:51,880
are we talking about people jumping off

2846
02:07:58,230 --> 02:07:55,960
of buildings because all of their belief

2847
02:08:01,590 --> 02:07:58,240
systems are broken down yeah it's an

2848
02:08:03,150 --> 02:08:01,600
interesting question I mean you know we

2849
02:08:05,190 --> 02:08:03,160
don't know because it's so unprecedented

2850
02:08:07,860 --> 02:08:05,200
you know there's things that happen that

2851
02:08:10,550 --> 02:08:07,870
have never happened before and we don't

2852
02:08:12,930 --> 02:08:10,560
know what the human effect is gonna be

2853
02:08:15,780 --> 02:08:12,940
because because nothing like it has

2854
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:15,790
occurred before you know I mean 9/11 was

2855
02:08:19,590 --> 02:08:17,770
unprecedented the Titanic was

2856
02:08:21,240 --> 02:08:19,600
unprecedented Darwinism was

2857
02:08:23,460 --> 02:08:21,250
unprecedented the moonshot

2858
02:08:25,310 --> 02:08:23,470
was unprecedented you know we don't know

2859
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:25,320
how the human psyche is going to be

2860
02:08:29,850 --> 02:08:27,760
affected simply because it hasn't

2861
02:08:32,370 --> 02:08:29,860
happened before but I do feel very

2862
02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:32,380
strongly that our generation and it's

2863
02:08:38,700 --> 02:08:35,290
exciting to me and hopefully exciting in

2864
02:08:42,210 --> 02:08:38,710
a positive way our generation is facing

2865
02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:42,220
the prospect that our idea of what it

2866
02:08:46,980 --> 02:08:43,690
needs to be human of what it means to

2867
02:08:49,020 --> 02:08:46,990
think is being upended placebo studies

2868
02:08:51,180 --> 02:08:49,030
alone are doing that I mean we're seeing

2869
02:08:53,160 --> 02:08:51,190
successful placebo surgeries being

2870
02:08:55,560 --> 02:08:53,170
performed quite literally replacing

2871
02:08:58,320 --> 02:08:55,570
spectroscopic knee surgery for people

2872
02:09:01,080 --> 02:08:58,330
with arthritic knees we're seeing

2873
02:09:03,860 --> 02:09:01,090
placebo studies that demonstrate people

2874
02:09:06,720 --> 02:09:03,870
actually being able to lose weight or

2875
02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:06,730
increase their vital bodily functions

2876
02:09:11,550 --> 02:09:08,170
because they've been told that their

2877
02:09:14,240 --> 02:09:11,560
jobs are aerobic Lior anaerobically

2878
02:09:17,490 --> 02:09:14,250
beneficial just information itself

2879
02:09:19,980 --> 02:09:17,500
changes physical matter perception

2880
02:09:23,460 --> 02:09:19,990
changes what happens within our body

2881
02:09:25,290 --> 02:09:23,470
chemistry and that barn door cannot be

2882
02:09:26,940 --> 02:09:25,300
shut again that simply cannot be shut

2883
02:09:28,890 --> 02:09:26,950
again where we're coming to understand

2884
02:09:33,290 --> 02:09:28,900
the mind is having extra physical

2885
02:09:38,340 --> 02:09:33,300
qualities how do we how do we convince

2886
02:09:40,740 --> 02:09:38,350
you know because many have talked about

2887
02:09:43,980 --> 02:09:40,750
magic or the power of the mind or Teleca

2888
02:09:47,460 --> 02:09:43,990
you know all of this has been part of

2889
02:09:50,010 --> 02:09:47,470
the mythology Hollywood right and was so

2890
02:09:52,890 --> 02:09:50,020
well familiar with it but what does it

2891
02:09:55,940 --> 02:09:52,900
take to to cross the line to take the

2892
02:09:58,110 --> 02:09:55,950
next step does it have to be science

2893
02:10:00,510 --> 02:09:58,120
that's an interesting question you know

2894
02:10:02,010 --> 02:10:00,520
I mean you have a portion of our culture

2895
02:10:05,970 --> 02:10:02,020
and sometimes they call themselves

2896
02:10:08,730 --> 02:10:05,980
skeptics but what they really are they

2897
02:10:11,160 --> 02:10:08,740
are dedicated to the elimination of a

2898
02:10:12,630 --> 02:10:11,170
certain class of questions like the

2899
02:10:14,040 --> 02:10:12,640
questions that you and I are discussing

2900
02:10:15,570 --> 02:10:14,050
right now what are the extra physical

2901
02:10:17,490 --> 02:10:15,580
properties of the mind what do we

2902
02:10:19,980 --> 02:10:17,500
understand how do we deepen that

2903
02:10:22,380 --> 02:10:19,990
question where do we go there's a core

2904
02:10:25,110 --> 02:10:22,390
of people in our culture today who don't

2905
02:10:27,090 --> 02:10:25,120
want to have a debate and and win you

2906
02:10:29,850 --> 02:10:27,100
know like win for the materialist side

2907
02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:29,860
they want to eliminate the debate they

2908
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:31,450
don't feel that this discussion we're

2909
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:33,850
having for example should have any place

2910
02:10:36,330 --> 02:10:34,810
we

2911
02:10:38,550 --> 02:10:36,340
in mainstream media should have any

2912
02:10:40,260 --> 02:10:38,560
place within scholarship any place

2913
02:10:42,420 --> 02:10:40,270
within college campuses and they've been

2914
02:10:44,040 --> 02:10:42,430
very successful so you have a section of

2915
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:44,050
our culture that's dedicated not to

2916
02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:46,330
skepticism which is actually the art of

2917
02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:48,970
questioning but to shutting down of

2918
02:10:52,590 --> 02:10:50,770
questioning and when you have that

2919
02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:52,600
mindset that there are certain questions

2920
02:10:56,460 --> 02:10:54,490
that shouldn't be asked when you can't

2921
02:10:57,810 --> 02:10:56,470
ask the basic human question what's

2922
02:11:00,270 --> 02:10:57,820
around the hill what's around the next

2923
02:11:03,600 --> 02:11:00,280
corner regardless of how meticulous your

2924
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:03,610
methods are or from how calm and sober

2925
02:11:06,840 --> 02:11:05,290
and intellectual perspective you come

2926
02:11:09,930 --> 02:11:06,850
you have a kind of anti-intellectualism

2927
02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:09,940
and it's powerful in our culture today

2928
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:11,770
that's why there's not more good ESP

2929
02:11:17,490 --> 02:11:13,810
research going on on college campuses

2930
02:11:21,180 --> 02:11:17,500
for example now I have to ask you this

2931
02:11:25,470 --> 02:11:21,190
popped up earlier what about yourself

2932
02:11:30,210 --> 02:11:25,480
and the other things that are being

2933
02:11:33,450 --> 02:11:30,220
discussed today such as ayahuasca DMT

2934
02:11:35,490 --> 02:11:33,460
and and that part of it and I think

2935
02:11:39,120 --> 02:11:35,500
scientifically that needs to be

2936
02:11:42,660 --> 02:11:39,130
researched actually speaking of that but

2937
02:11:45,720 --> 02:11:42,670
yeah what about you have you have you

2938
02:11:47,700 --> 02:11:45,730
done any psychedelic research no I

2939
02:11:50,930 --> 02:11:47,710
haven't and I plan to get more into that

2940
02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:50,940
in this second half of my life actually

2941
02:11:56,010 --> 02:11:53,290
experimenting with psychedelics has not

2942
02:11:57,960 --> 02:11:56,020
been part of my experience but I'm

2943
02:12:00,480 --> 02:11:57,970
thinking probably over the next year or

2944
02:12:02,730 --> 02:12:00,490
so that's a direction in which I'm going

2945
02:12:04,110 --> 02:12:02,740
to go I think it's very important and I

2946
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:04,120
think the scholarship that's coming out

2947
02:12:10,170 --> 02:12:05,770
of that is it's really wonderful I

2948
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:10,180
wanted to touch upon your your comments

2949
02:12:17,400 --> 02:12:15,010
about religion and it's such a broad you

2950
02:12:20,820 --> 02:12:17,410
spend a lot of time discussing this but

2951
02:12:24,740 --> 02:12:20,830
like I want to narrow this down when we

2952
02:12:27,900 --> 02:12:24,750
are talking about contact with

2953
02:12:32,450 --> 02:12:27,910
information and I'm going back 5,000

2954
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:32,460
years 4,000 years 3000 years whenever

2955
02:12:40,190 --> 02:12:36,010
somebody needs to communicate back to

2956
02:12:45,990 --> 02:12:40,200
the village about something it's always

2957
02:12:47,820 --> 02:12:46,000
God said God spoke and where do you

2958
02:12:48,360 --> 02:12:47,830
think that because they're talking about

2959
02:12:53,790 --> 02:12:48,370
getting

2960
02:12:55,670 --> 02:12:53,800
the stars and every every form of

2961
02:12:58,230 --> 02:12:55,680
religion has had this type of

2962
02:13:02,100 --> 02:12:58,240
communication that they bring back to

2963
02:13:05,640 --> 02:13:02,110
the masses is there is there a a watered

2964
02:13:07,080 --> 02:13:05,650
down singular source of this information

2965
02:13:09,870 --> 02:13:07,090
because it doesn't matter if we're

2966
02:13:12,240 --> 02:13:09,880
talking about Catholicism or or what was

2967
02:13:14,190 --> 02:13:12,250
going on with the Pharaohs and ancient

2968
02:13:20,420 --> 02:13:14,200
gods of Egypt or yes

2969
02:13:22,980 --> 02:13:20,430
or Greece or Islam it doesn't matter

2970
02:13:24,750 --> 02:13:22,990
what do you think actually is going on

2971
02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:24,760
here is there one source of information

2972
02:13:30,270 --> 02:13:28,330
that has been coming back to us that's a

2973
02:13:32,700 --> 02:13:30,280
wonderful question and of course it's

2974
02:13:34,560 --> 02:13:32,710
really the ultimate mystery you know is

2975
02:13:37,620 --> 02:13:34,570
there a single source I mean my my

2976
02:13:40,290 --> 02:13:37,630
impression is based on people's

2977
02:13:43,290 --> 02:13:40,300
experiences testimony my own experiences

2978
02:13:46,530 --> 02:13:43,300
the historical record we live under

2979
02:13:48,510 --> 02:13:46,540
complex of laws and forces and I think

2980
02:13:50,640 --> 02:13:48,520
these things express themselves to us in

2981
02:13:52,350 --> 02:13:50,650
the form of deity in the form of

2982
02:13:55,230 --> 02:13:52,360
channeled information in the form of

2983
02:13:57,120 --> 02:13:55,240
angels in the form of ESP transmissions

2984
02:13:59,010 --> 02:13:57,130
in the form of symbols in the form of

2985
02:14:01,670 --> 02:13:59,020
synchronicities it seems to me that

2986
02:14:05,400 --> 02:14:01,680
there's this whole extra physical

2987
02:14:07,800 --> 02:14:05,410
dimension to life and its forces are

2988
02:14:09,900 --> 02:14:07,810
felt on us or felt through us sometimes

2989
02:14:11,640 --> 02:14:09,910
people call it God sometimes people call

2990
02:14:15,300 --> 02:14:11,650
it synchronicity sometimes people call

2991
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:15,310
it you know the source was the term that

2992
02:14:20,700 --> 02:14:18,010
you're Cayce used my friend Paul Selig

2993
02:14:23,960 --> 02:14:20,710
who's channeler refers to the guides you

2994
02:14:25,920 --> 02:14:23,970
know what what are these extra physical

2995
02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:25,930
intelligences and somebody could say

2996
02:14:29,250 --> 02:14:27,370
well you know they're just the human

2997
02:14:30,780 --> 02:14:29,260
psyche but how that deepens our

2998
02:14:32,160 --> 02:14:30,790
questions about the human psyche then

2999
02:14:34,500 --> 02:14:32,170
you know maybe there's this extra

3000
02:14:36,570 --> 02:14:34,510
physical quality to the human psyche

3001
02:14:38,460 --> 02:14:36,580
that's not bound by the five senses it

3002
02:14:40,380 --> 02:14:38,470
seems impossible to conclude otherwise

3003
02:14:43,830 --> 02:14:40,390
given the information that we have today

3004
02:14:46,620 --> 02:14:43,840
so you know what we know is that we are

3005
02:14:49,650 --> 02:14:46,630
these extrasensory beings we have an

3006
02:14:53,280 --> 02:14:49,660
intellect that goes beyond cognition and

3007
02:14:55,290 --> 02:14:53,290
motor function and it throws open the

3008
02:14:57,360 --> 02:14:55,300
door to all these questions you know our

3009
02:14:59,520 --> 02:14:57,370
for example if someone speaks in terms

3010
02:15:01,830 --> 02:14:59,530
of an angel or a demon are those actual

3011
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:01,840
entities or are those just

3012
02:15:06,510 --> 02:15:04,810
ways that we process non-physical

3013
02:15:08,939 --> 02:15:06,520
information and experiences that are

3014
02:15:11,010 --> 02:15:08,949
reaching us whether there's one source I

3015
02:15:13,260 --> 02:15:11,020
have no idea you know whether these

3016
02:15:15,780 --> 02:15:13,270
things are different distinct personas

3017
02:15:17,970 --> 02:15:15,790
Casey had a source my friend Paul has

3018
02:15:21,750 --> 02:15:17,980
the guides people speak in terms of

3019
02:15:25,470 --> 02:15:21,760
angels demons God Satan I I suspect

3020
02:15:28,109 --> 02:15:25,480
somehow all of this must converge on on

3021
02:15:29,850 --> 02:15:28,119
one point but we experience it in these

3022
02:15:32,520 --> 02:15:29,860
different ways and I think many

3023
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:32,530
different energies and laws rule over us

3024
02:15:37,229 --> 02:15:34,330
and kind of criss cross through us yeah

3025
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:37,239
and that that mindset which makes a lot

3026
02:15:43,109 --> 02:15:41,530
of sense today that is a life of torture

3027
02:15:46,169 --> 02:15:43,119
and being burned at the stake in the

3028
02:15:48,300 --> 02:15:46,179
past I mean you can't even contemplate

3029
02:15:49,709 --> 02:15:48,310
those kind of thoughts it's it's it's

3030
02:15:52,169 --> 02:15:49,719
extraordinary you know people talk about

3031
02:15:53,669 --> 02:15:52,179
Freemasonry for example as a secret

3032
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:53,679
society and some people have these

3033
02:15:57,870 --> 02:15:55,119
sinister notions around it you know

3034
02:15:59,490 --> 02:15:57,880
Masons had very good reasons to maintain

3035
02:16:02,040 --> 02:15:59,500
confidentiality about what they were

3036
02:16:06,600 --> 02:16:02,050
doing because as masonry emerged

3037
02:16:09,000 --> 02:16:06,610
above-ground in the early 1700s and and

3038
02:16:12,780 --> 02:16:09,010
it you could trace some of its veritable

3039
02:16:15,870 --> 02:16:12,790
roots to the 1600s and earlier to run

3040
02:16:17,939 --> 02:16:15,880
afoul of state-sponsored religion could

3041
02:16:20,370 --> 02:16:17,949
mean losing your head literally could

3042
02:16:22,169 --> 02:16:20,380
mean going to jail there were very good

3043
02:16:24,689 --> 02:16:22,179
reasons for certain clandestine

3044
02:16:27,120 --> 02:16:24,699
societies where the Rosicrucians or

3045
02:16:29,070 --> 02:16:27,130
Freemasons or the short-lived Illuminati

3046
02:16:30,540 --> 02:16:29,080
to be secretive because they were

3047
02:16:32,669 --> 02:16:30,550
dealing with ideas that were heretical

3048
02:16:34,770 --> 02:16:32,679
and that would have resulted in death

3049
02:16:36,299 --> 02:16:34,780
sentences in certain cases and I think

3050
02:16:38,129 --> 02:16:36,309
we should take different stock of these

3051
02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:38,139
groups and realize that to some extent

3052
02:16:42,120 --> 02:16:40,210
they helped plant seeds for the

3053
02:16:45,990 --> 02:16:42,130
spiritual counterculture that we're

3054
02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:46,000
beneficiaries of today they're what I'm

3055
02:16:52,110 --> 02:16:48,090
gonna switch over to your book because

3056
02:16:55,469 --> 02:16:52,120
as I was reading through it one chapter

3057
02:16:57,330 --> 02:16:55,479
I read a couple of times which was the

3058
02:17:00,570 --> 02:16:57,340
ethic of getting rich and don't laugh

3059
02:17:05,070 --> 02:17:00,580
yet okay for me cuz that it's a great

3060
02:17:07,589 --> 02:17:05,080
chapter and I need your comments on your

3061
02:17:09,980 --> 02:17:07,599
opening paragraph here and I want the

3062
02:17:13,049 --> 02:17:09,990
audience to listen really closely you

3063
02:17:15,410 --> 02:17:13,059
right there is a conflict in the early

3064
02:17:18,830 --> 02:17:15,420
21st century new thought

3065
02:17:21,679 --> 02:17:18,840
some seekers want to want a new thought

3066
02:17:24,290 --> 02:17:21,689
that emphasizes personal attainment and

3067
02:17:27,379 --> 02:17:24,300
ambition others believe that new

3068
02:17:30,230 --> 02:17:27,389
thoughts focus should be on social

3069
02:17:34,540 --> 02:17:30,240
justice they view the Think and Grow

3070
02:17:35,690 --> 02:17:34,550
Rich approach as narrow unspiritual or

3071
02:17:37,910 --> 02:17:35,700
outdated

3072
02:17:41,060 --> 02:17:37,920
that's about as powerful as anything

3073
02:17:44,750 --> 02:17:41,070
that could be in in a book let alone an

3074
02:17:47,030 --> 02:17:44,760
opening chapter in a book now I need you

3075
02:17:49,969 --> 02:17:47,040
to explain what you're where you're

3076
02:17:51,410 --> 02:17:49,979
going with this well within the positive

3077
02:17:53,469 --> 02:17:51,420
thinking movement within the new thought

3078
02:17:55,969 --> 02:17:53,479
movement within the law of attraction

3079
02:17:57,919 --> 02:17:55,979
culture people have debates as to

3080
02:18:00,770 --> 02:17:57,929
whether the mind should be used as a

3081
02:18:03,230 --> 02:18:00,780
tool for social justice beneficence

3082
02:18:07,549 --> 02:18:03,240
community building or frankly as a get

3083
02:18:09,709 --> 02:18:07,559
rich tool and the truth is you know I

3084
02:18:11,179 --> 02:18:09,719
really honor personal aspiration I

3085
02:18:13,549 --> 02:18:11,189
really believe in the sacredness of

3086
02:18:14,900 --> 02:18:13,559
individual ambition I think that's

3087
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:14,910
somebody who wants to start a business

3088
02:18:19,370 --> 02:18:16,530
or somebody who wants to attain

3089
02:18:22,700 --> 02:18:19,380
financial independence is moved very

3090
02:18:25,640 --> 02:18:22,710
often by values that are just as as deep

3091
02:18:27,589 --> 02:18:25,650
and just as generative as as those

3092
02:18:30,080 --> 02:18:27,599
values that that go under the term

3093
02:18:32,419 --> 02:18:30,090
social justice or community building I

3094
02:18:34,429 --> 02:18:32,429
really honor human aspiration and I

3095
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:34,439
don't think it's contradictory to use

3096
02:18:42,650 --> 02:18:38,370
spiritual or metaphysical ends to as a

3097
02:18:44,570 --> 02:18:42,660
means towards self-expression whether in

3098
02:18:46,070 --> 02:18:44,580
an artistic sense or whether in a

3099
02:18:47,690 --> 02:18:46,080
commercial sense I don't want people to

3100
02:18:49,339 --> 02:18:47,700
feel embarrassed by that I do think we

3101
02:18:51,679 --> 02:18:49,349
are here to be generative we are to be

3102
02:18:55,580 --> 02:18:51,689
productive we are here to build and I

3103
02:18:58,280 --> 02:18:55,590
don't want to draw lines between what is

3104
02:19:00,020 --> 02:18:58,290
sometimes considered a proper spiritual

3105
02:19:02,750 --> 02:19:00,030
goal versus what is sometimes considered

3106
02:19:05,299 --> 02:19:02,760
a consumerist goal you know I think that

3107
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:05,309
these these lines can become kind of

3108
02:19:10,640 --> 02:19:07,050
artificial they they can become an

3109
02:19:12,740 --> 02:19:10,650
orthodoxy of their own I honor I honor

3110
02:19:15,890 --> 02:19:12,750
the impulse of human attainment I honor

3111
02:19:17,900 --> 02:19:15,900
the impulse of the wish for human

3112
02:19:19,730 --> 02:19:17,910
improvement and self-development and I

3113
02:19:22,790 --> 02:19:19,740
think spirituality can be used for those

3114
02:19:25,940 --> 02:19:22,800
ends okay you can have both you can have

3115
02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:25,950
both absolutely you know if if you go

3116
02:19:32,810 --> 02:19:27,090
and

3117
02:19:36,650 --> 02:19:32,820
your goal is to solve the water issues

3118
02:19:40,070 --> 02:19:36,660
in Africa all right and and you want to

3119
02:19:43,639 --> 02:19:40,080
do that and and and you succeed in

3120
02:19:46,730 --> 02:19:43,649
inventing or solving that issue and you

3121
02:19:50,599 --> 02:19:46,740
get rich off of it wait a minute what's

3122
02:19:53,360 --> 02:19:50,609
what see I don't see it just long as you

3123
02:19:55,730 --> 02:19:53,370
don't change as a person I want to break

3124
02:19:58,130 --> 02:19:55,740
down all these kind of barriers that we

3125
02:20:01,210 --> 02:19:58,140
seek to put up between inner experience

3126
02:20:03,710 --> 02:20:01,220
how to experience personality essence

3127
02:20:06,160 --> 02:20:03,720
self seeking community building these

3128
02:20:09,260 --> 02:20:06,170
things are all sort of one continuous

3129
02:20:12,830 --> 02:20:09,270
sphere of life in a certain sense and

3130
02:20:14,750 --> 02:20:12,840
what's really important to my mind is

3131
02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:14,760
that the individual will come in touch

3132
02:20:20,870 --> 02:20:17,130
with and feel that he or she is moving

3133
02:20:23,750 --> 02:20:20,880
towards some sense of ethical attainment

3134
02:20:26,480 --> 02:20:23,760
and I I do think that the individual

3135
02:20:29,349 --> 02:20:26,490
will never be happy really unless he or

3136
02:20:32,179 --> 02:20:29,359
she feels some sort of progressive

3137
02:20:34,849 --> 02:20:32,189
momentum towards a deep-seated personal

3138
02:20:38,210 --> 02:20:34,859
goal and that could take any number of

3139
02:20:40,190 --> 02:20:38,220
forms have you found your bliss I have

3140
02:20:42,230 --> 02:20:40,200
found my bliss in documenting

3141
02:20:44,210 --> 02:20:42,240
metaphysical experience both in history

3142
02:20:47,300 --> 02:20:44,220
and in practice what you and I are doing

3143
02:20:49,849 --> 02:20:47,310
together on this show is my bliss the

3144
02:20:53,150 --> 02:20:49,859
the issue that I have I want your

3145
02:20:58,160 --> 02:20:53,160
comment on this because your your take

3146
02:21:00,050 --> 02:20:58,170
on religion is infectious so and I I

3147
02:21:02,389 --> 02:21:00,060
seriously suggest that everybody

3148
02:21:05,030 --> 02:21:02,399
listening right now go and chase down

3149
02:21:07,190 --> 02:21:05,040
some of Mitch's presentations online

3150
02:21:10,219 --> 02:21:07,200
there they're unbelievably great to

3151
02:21:17,660 --> 02:21:10,229
watch but that being said what I do have

3152
02:21:22,760 --> 02:21:17,670
issues with is a preacher that needs a

3153
02:21:25,910 --> 02:21:22,770
g5 to fly around the world to see the

3154
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:25,920
message and he needs your money from

3155
02:21:32,480 --> 02:21:28,170
people that may need their money to eat

3156
02:21:38,161 --> 02:21:32,490
but he needs it from you so he can buy a

3157
02:21:40,980 --> 02:21:38,171
g5 if you are going to need to spread

3158
02:21:44,911 --> 02:21:40,990
the word whatever it is around the world

3159
02:21:49,171 --> 02:21:44,921
I think you can fly coach yeah this

3160
02:21:50,940 --> 02:21:49,181
there's always been this this economy or

3161
02:21:53,491 --> 02:21:50,950
this tension between religion and money

3162
02:21:56,640 --> 02:21:53,501
and today of course the prosperity

3163
02:22:00,511 --> 02:21:56,650
gospel is one of the most popular forms

3164
02:22:02,491 --> 02:22:00,521
of Protestantism and I'm a half-wave

3165
02:22:03,531 --> 02:22:02,501
defender of the prosperity gospel to the

3166
02:22:05,520 --> 02:22:03,541
extent that there are these different

3167
02:22:09,571 --> 02:22:05,530
iterations of it I mean within that

3168
02:22:12,451 --> 02:22:09,581
world you have figures who are nobler

3169
02:22:16,171 --> 02:22:12,461
and you have figures who are kind of

3170
02:22:17,611 --> 02:22:16,181
coarse or cut from a lower cloth and you

3171
02:22:19,591 --> 02:22:17,621
know some some of the people in the

3172
02:22:21,661 --> 02:22:19,601
prosperity gospel world some of the

3173
02:22:24,001 --> 02:22:21,671
ministers in the prosperity gospel world

3174
02:22:26,491 --> 02:22:24,011
they are responsible people they don't

3175
02:22:28,230 --> 02:22:26,501
solicit ruinous sums of money from their

3176
02:22:30,451 --> 02:22:28,240
congregants and the Condry can stick

3177
02:22:32,310 --> 02:22:30,461
around because they feel that they are

3178
02:22:35,461 --> 02:22:32,320
receiving something then you have other

3179
02:22:37,921 --> 02:22:35,471
figures who emphasize a great deal of

3180
02:22:40,081 --> 02:22:37,931
Flash and their message is not one that

3181
02:22:42,841 --> 02:22:40,091
resonates with me I'm not into Benny

3182
02:22:44,821 --> 02:22:42,851
Hinn I'm not into creflo dollar but then

3183
02:22:46,350 --> 02:22:44,831
you have a figure like TD jakes who's

3184
02:22:48,060 --> 02:22:46,360
kind of loosely associated with the

3185
02:22:49,980 --> 02:22:48,070
prosperity gospel or even the dreaded

3186
02:22:51,871 --> 02:22:49,990
Joel Osteen who people make fun of all

3187
02:22:55,381 --> 02:22:51,881
the time but a lot of Joel's advice

3188
02:22:57,451 --> 02:22:55,391
actually I think resonates with people's

3189
02:23:01,711 --> 02:22:57,461
common sense need to find practical

3190
02:23:04,770 --> 02:23:01,721
solutions within religion so I am a

3191
02:23:06,060 --> 02:23:04,780
defender of his basically and I think

3192
02:23:08,220 --> 02:23:06,070
there's just you have a high and low

3193
02:23:09,480 --> 02:23:08,230
within the prosperity gospel world and

3194
02:23:12,091 --> 02:23:09,490
you have some figures who are

3195
02:23:13,890 --> 02:23:12,101
responsible like a TD jakes and some who

3196
02:23:15,720 --> 02:23:13,900
are not like a CREP low dollar so you

3197
02:23:17,581 --> 02:23:15,730
you have to you have to do your shopping

3198
02:23:20,671 --> 02:23:17,591
for religious figures very carefully

3199
02:23:22,171 --> 02:23:20,681
where can everybody get the new book the

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02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:22,181
new book is called the miracle Club it

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02:23:26,761 --> 02:23:24,730
comes out October 16th you can pre-order

3202
02:23:31,531 --> 02:23:26,771
it wherever you buy books it's going to

3203
02:23:34,321 --> 02:23:31,541
be on digital physical and audio I've

3204
02:23:36,690 --> 02:23:34,331
got the advance copy everybody and I

3205
02:23:39,711 --> 02:23:36,700
have read through it the book is

3206
02:23:42,810 --> 02:23:39,721
seriously really good and I can't

3207
02:23:45,720 --> 02:23:42,820
express enough Mitch that when we talk

3208
02:23:47,761 --> 02:23:45,730
about the power of mind and the changing

3209
02:23:49,680 --> 02:23:47,771
of your own reality and the decisions

3210
02:23:51,660 --> 02:23:49,690
that you can make and change your own

3211
02:23:54,480 --> 02:23:51,670
life these are real

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02:23:55,980 --> 02:23:54,490
you know they are real yeah it's the

3213
02:23:57,630 --> 02:23:55,990
most concrete book I've ever written the

3214
02:23:59,910 --> 02:23:57,640
miracle club was my opportunity to

3215
02:24:01,440 --> 02:23:59,920
really come clean with people about the

3216
02:24:04,650 --> 02:24:01,450
philosophies and the techniques that I

3217
02:24:06,900 --> 02:24:04,660
personally follow now really quick you

3218
02:24:08,670 --> 02:24:06,910
know throw a freebie out there and I

3219
02:24:11,460 --> 02:24:08,680
will practice it myself

3220
02:24:14,070 --> 02:24:11,470
oh absolutely for anybody out there that

3221
02:24:16,260 --> 02:24:14,080
that wants to start making these changes

3222
02:24:19,440 --> 02:24:16,270
what you know what's a simple effective

3223
02:24:22,020 --> 02:24:19,450
tool that they could start with today

3224
02:24:24,150 --> 02:24:22,030
here's a really basic tool and a really

3225
02:24:26,760 --> 02:24:24,160
simple tool but it only works if you

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02:24:29,219 --> 02:24:26,770
throw yourself into a total passion come

3227
02:24:31,260 --> 02:24:29,229
up with what your definite chief aim is

3228
02:24:33,480 --> 02:24:31,270
in life and mean it and be absolutely

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02:24:36,570 --> 02:24:33,490
mature and serious and impassioned about

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02:24:38,219 --> 02:24:36,580
it spend time on it ask yourself if a

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02:24:41,340 --> 02:24:38,229
genie came to you and said I'm gonna

3232
02:24:42,630 --> 02:24:41,350
grant you a single wish but only on the

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02:24:45,210 --> 02:24:42,640
grounds that you tell me the absolute

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02:24:46,770 --> 02:24:45,220
truth or you'll lose everything how

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02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:46,780
would you respond to that would you be

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02:24:50,850 --> 02:24:48,610
able to respond to it because having one

3237
02:24:53,580 --> 02:24:50,860
definite chief aim is an engine of

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02:24:55,620 --> 02:24:53,590
tremendous progress in your life don't

3239
02:24:58,050 --> 02:24:55,630
underestimate it it's the closest thing

3240
02:25:00,480 --> 02:24:58,060
that we are given to a kind of magic

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02:25:02,190 --> 02:25:00,490
elixir and most people don't do it they

3242
02:25:04,440 --> 02:25:02,200
water down their aims they convince

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02:25:07,620 --> 02:25:04,450
themselves they can't have or don't have

3244
02:25:08,310 --> 02:25:07,630
one aim come up with one aim and see

3245
02:25:10,890 --> 02:25:08,320
what happens

3246
02:25:13,590 --> 02:25:10,900
the finding your bliss is an

3247
02:25:16,070 --> 02:25:13,600
extraordinary thing and when you know

3248
02:25:19,770 --> 02:25:16,080
people find themselves and not only

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02:25:22,860 --> 02:25:19,780
maybe unhappy or maybe sick all the time

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02:25:26,490 --> 02:25:22,870
or just argumentative you know it's not

3251
02:25:28,800 --> 02:25:26,500
about these other things that are around

3252
02:25:32,130 --> 02:25:28,810
you it's because you you're not happy

3253
02:25:34,980 --> 02:25:32,140
you've gotten your bliss you know

3254
02:25:37,950 --> 02:25:34,990
nothing is I think a greater tonic to

3255
02:25:41,219 --> 02:25:37,960
living than a sense of purpose a sense

3256
02:25:43,770 --> 02:25:41,229
of being adrift a feeling of ennui a

3257
02:25:45,719 --> 02:25:43,780
feeling of not knowing what you're

3258
02:25:48,030 --> 02:25:45,729
seeking to accomplish on a given day

3259
02:25:49,710 --> 02:25:48,040
that's unbearable and we cover it up

3260
02:25:52,110 --> 02:25:49,720
with entertainment we cover it up with

3261
02:25:53,700 --> 02:25:52,120
booze and things like that but having a

3262
02:25:56,400 --> 02:25:53,710
sense of what you really want to get

3263
02:25:58,500 --> 02:25:56,410
done is it's an extraordinary tonic to

3264
02:26:00,660 --> 02:25:58,510
living yeah no doubt I can't wait to

3265
02:26:03,160 --> 02:26:00,670
come and hang out with you when you get

3266
02:26:08,890 --> 02:26:03,170
here Los Angeles one last

3267
02:26:13,660 --> 02:26:08,900
one last question ET lands at your house

3268
02:26:16,120 --> 02:26:13,670
yeah and says dude come with us do you

3269
02:26:18,160 --> 02:26:16,130
get on the ship wow what a great

3270
02:26:20,320 --> 02:26:18,170
question the answer is yes I couldn't

3271
02:26:24,310 --> 02:26:20,330
live with myself I couldn't live with

3272
02:26:27,219 --> 02:26:24,320
myself if I if I hadn't taken that that

3273
02:26:29,020 --> 02:26:27,229
step into the unknown I I think that the

3274
02:26:31,270 --> 02:26:29,030
only thing that scares me is the absence

3275
02:26:32,440 --> 02:26:31,280
of an unknown I I would be frightened

3276
02:26:34,420 --> 02:26:32,450
but I would have to say yes because

3277
02:26:36,400 --> 02:26:34,430
nothing is more frightening to me than

3278
02:26:39,850 --> 02:26:36,410
the absence of Vietnam see I told

3279
02:26:41,530 --> 02:26:39,860
everybody you were one of us thank you

3280
02:26:43,510 --> 02:26:41,540
so much man what a great conversation

3281
02:26:45,580 --> 02:26:43,520
now one we've got to get you back and

3282
02:26:48,160 --> 02:26:45,590
once you love to hang out with us do

3283
02:26:50,350 --> 02:26:48,170
some tarot readings love it we didn't

3284
02:26:52,929 --> 02:26:50,360
discuss the Illuminati we didn't go into

3285
02:26:55,510 --> 02:26:52,939
a true occult history going back to

3286
02:26:56,920 --> 02:26:55,520
Egypt and and I know that these are

3287
02:26:59,560 --> 02:26:56,930
things that you're passionate about and

3288
02:27:01,510 --> 02:26:59,570
we'll do it all at another time that's

3289
02:27:02,679 --> 02:27:01,520
great thank you so much enjoy the rest

3290
02:27:04,780 --> 02:27:02,689
of your night out there in New York

3291
02:27:06,610 --> 02:27:04,790
Thank You Mitch great evening enjoy -

3292
02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:06,620
thank you absolutely wonderful

3293
02:27:12,160 --> 02:27:09,530
conversation and it is Mitch Horowitz

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dot-com all of his books are there he's

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02:27:16,300 --> 02:27:14,479
got some great videos too as well and

3296
02:27:17,950 --> 02:27:16,310
you can go and check it out the links

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02:27:20,280 --> 02:27:17,960
are at Jimmy Church radio.com

3298
02:27:23,230 --> 02:27:20,290
Thank You Mitch have a great thank you a

3299
02:27:25,480 --> 02:27:23,240
great conversation this is fade to black

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I'm gonna take a quick break and when I

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come back I'll go ahead and open up the

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phone lines Mitch Horowitz calm

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black army Oh semi

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Church Mitch Horowitz incredible

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conversation and just head over to Mitch

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Horowitz calm the links are over at

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Jimmy Church radio calm and he's got

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some great videos up there as well as

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all of his books and you've got to go

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02:32:37,270 --> 02:32:35,480
and check Mitch out and if you're gonna

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be in Los Angeles he's going to be doing

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five different engagements over a three

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or four days and just go to his Twitter

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feed at Mitch Horowitz it's right there

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and and come and hang out we're

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02:32:54,850 --> 02:32:53,000
definitely gonna make our way over to

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02:32:58,450 --> 02:32:54,860
hang out with Mitch when he gets here

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02:33:00,370 --> 02:32:58,460
later on in October and with that I've

3403
02:33:02,620 --> 02:33:00,380
got the phone lines open and if you're

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on hold I'll get to you three two three

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eight two five five zero four or five or

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three two three seven two seven five

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02:33:14,020 --> 02:33:11,630
nine six nine five or eight one eight

3408
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nine two one six nine twenty nine okay

3409
02:33:22,660 --> 02:33:15,940
and I'll get to that in just a second

3410
02:33:25,291 --> 02:33:22,670
also I've got a new TV series that it's

3411
02:33:28,660 --> 02:33:25,301
freaking me out and blowing my mind and

3412
02:33:32,940 --> 02:33:28,670
it's called maniac and it stars Emma

3413
02:33:38,940 --> 02:33:32,950
Stone and and Jonah Hill now

3414
02:33:41,950 --> 02:33:38,950
don't don't let the title of this series

3415
02:33:46,570 --> 02:33:41,960
keep you from checking it out it's

3416
02:33:50,110 --> 02:33:46,580
called maniac and the you know me I'm

3417
02:33:52,961 --> 02:33:50,120
all about the visuals the editing the

3418
02:33:55,360 --> 02:33:52,971
production I've got very very high

3419
02:33:59,320 --> 02:33:55,370
standards when it comes to stuff that

3420
02:34:01,360 --> 02:33:59,330
that I watch and of course the script

3421
02:34:05,261 --> 02:34:01,370
and the story come into play here but

3422
02:34:05,921 --> 02:34:05,271
it's it's got to be visually there too

3423
02:34:12,131 --> 02:34:05,931
as well

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this series is insane and what they have

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02:34:17,881 --> 02:34:13,820
done now you're gonna go check it out

3426
02:34:20,230 --> 02:34:17,891
you need to it's on Netflix and the

3427
02:34:24,251 --> 02:34:20,240
first episode I'm not going to give

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02:34:26,719 --> 02:34:24,261
anything away but the first episode and

3429
02:34:29,429 --> 02:34:26,729
then and then it goes

3430
02:34:33,450 --> 02:34:29,439
backwards but anyway the first episode

3431
02:34:36,269 --> 02:34:33,460
will flip you out and lay things out for

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02:34:39,660 --> 02:34:36,279
you in a correct way and then now look

3433
02:34:42,149 --> 02:34:39,670
I'm only a few episodes in okay I don't

3434
02:34:44,820 --> 02:34:42,159
have the time to binge like I need to on

3435
02:34:47,840 --> 02:34:44,830
this on this series but I'm telling you

3436
02:34:51,960 --> 02:34:47,850
right now maniac

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okay maniac I Netflix go and check it

3438
02:34:59,429 --> 02:34:57,130
out absolutely insane insane insane it

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02:35:01,200 --> 02:34:59,439
is that good not good let's go to the

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phones hi you're live on fade to black

3441
02:35:08,639 --> 02:35:05,020
who's calling from Sacramento hi Deb how

3442
02:35:10,800 --> 02:35:08,649
are you good Jimmy good show tonight hey

3443
02:35:14,969 --> 02:35:10,810
I heard you say earlier that I thought

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02:35:16,710 --> 02:35:14,979
you said you said you were five six when

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I don't think you're talking about your

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02:35:25,260 --> 02:35:18,340
height when you guys are talking did you

3447
02:35:27,330 --> 02:35:25,270
just turn 56 yeah no 55 and that's

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02:35:30,030 --> 02:35:27,340
getting that's getting ahead of myself a

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02:35:34,050 --> 02:35:30,040
little bit I won't be my birthday's not

3450
02:35:36,389 --> 02:35:34,060
for two weeks okay for some reason I

3451
02:35:38,969 --> 02:35:36,399
thought you said five six and I thought

3452
02:35:43,950 --> 02:35:38,979
that's weird I thought he was 54 so that

3453
02:35:46,349 --> 02:35:43,960
it right now be 50 I'll be 55 in in a

3454
02:35:52,700 --> 02:35:46,359
couple of weeks and so there you go but

3455
02:35:55,920 --> 02:35:52,710
thank you for pointing happy belated

3456
02:35:58,320 --> 02:35:55,930
we'll get to that it's everybody knows

3457
02:36:01,950 --> 02:35:58,330
October 10th no big deal have you seen

3458
02:36:03,210 --> 02:36:01,960
maniac have you seen this new show no

3459
02:36:05,130 --> 02:36:03,220
but I'm gonna check it out because

3460
02:36:07,500 --> 02:36:05,140
usually when you recommend something and

3461
02:36:07,979 --> 02:36:07,510
I watch it it's like yep I'm glad I went

3462
02:36:10,349 --> 02:36:07,989
and did that

3463
02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:10,359
this is one of those things this is one

3464
02:36:18,570 --> 02:36:13,930
of those okay look this is the deal this

3465
02:36:21,000 --> 02:36:18,580
is you need you need to bring your

3466
02:36:25,260 --> 02:36:21,010
intellect okay you got to bring that

3467
02:36:27,389 --> 02:36:25,270
that this is not a fluff thing okay this

3468
02:36:29,880 --> 02:36:27,399
is something else this is you know this

3469
02:36:32,790 --> 02:36:29,890
is some serious you've got to to focus

3470
02:36:35,130 --> 02:36:32,800
and concentrate but out of the gate and

3471
02:36:38,070 --> 02:36:35,140
you know it in in like three minutes

3472
02:36:39,400 --> 02:36:38,080
four minutes five minutes that visually

3473
02:36:41,560 --> 02:36:39,410
it's stunning

3474
02:36:45,070 --> 02:36:41,570
there's editing production thought

3475
02:36:48,250 --> 02:36:45,080
everything is is in this write this like

3476
02:36:50,679 --> 02:36:48,260
a serious thing and and by the time you

3477
02:36:53,440 --> 02:36:50,689
get done with the first episode you're

3478
02:36:56,440 --> 02:36:53,450
like okay alright the this is this is

3479
02:36:59,620 --> 02:36:56,450
correct this is well done so I'm just

3480
02:37:02,469 --> 02:36:59,630
telling you the name maniac is like why

3481
02:37:05,550 --> 02:37:02,479
did they do that because it has nothing

3482
02:37:08,350 --> 02:37:05,560
to do with this is not some slash or

3483
02:37:10,780 --> 02:37:08,360
crazy no no this is there's something

3484
02:37:14,290 --> 02:37:10,790
else going on here but anyway I've

3485
02:37:17,560 --> 02:37:14,300
always enjoyed Emma Stone and she's just

3486
02:37:19,660 --> 02:37:17,570
great in this and it's it's and then see

3487
02:37:24,520 --> 02:37:19,670
this is the other thing you go Jonah

3488
02:37:28,179 --> 02:37:24,530
Hill right oh man why okay but no no no

3489
02:37:33,010 --> 02:37:28,189
no no no no no they just just just get

3490
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:33,020
ready to go it's really well done okay

3491
02:37:38,380 --> 02:37:34,010
okay

3492
02:37:40,240 --> 02:37:38,390
I let you know I got a hold of my pilot

3493
02:37:42,190 --> 02:37:40,250
friend again oh yeah we can actually I

3494
02:37:43,750 --> 02:37:42,200
did before I actually did last week

3495
02:37:44,860 --> 02:37:43,760
after we talked and I kept trying to get

3496
02:37:47,830 --> 02:37:44,870
through failure night and I couldn't

3497
02:37:48,370 --> 02:37:47,840
belong the lines were crazy but before I

3498
02:37:50,679 --> 02:37:48,380
go there

3499
02:37:52,389 --> 02:37:50,689
you mentioned Jacques Vallee before and

3500
02:37:54,130 --> 02:37:52,399
so I researched him I had heard the name

3501
02:37:56,620 --> 02:37:54,140
and I looked him up and when you look at

3502
02:38:00,429 --> 02:37:56,630
him in his eyes he looks like if you go

3503
02:38:02,560 --> 02:38:00,439
to the movie ET that commercial for it

3504
02:38:05,889 --> 02:38:02,570
or whatever and you look at et's eyes

3505
02:38:11,969 --> 02:38:05,899
you know the kids version of ET he looks

3506
02:38:20,860 --> 02:38:18,540
it's crazy looking well there is okay

3507
02:38:22,300 --> 02:38:20,870
we'll get back to that in a second I

3508
02:38:25,540 --> 02:38:22,310
don't want this to get away from me

3509
02:38:28,510 --> 02:38:25,550
Gabriel Byrne is in this series Sally

3510
02:38:32,110 --> 02:38:28,520
Field is in the series and Justin

3511
02:38:34,090 --> 02:38:32,120
Theroux one of my favorite actors out

3512
02:38:36,280 --> 02:38:34,100
there you know Gabriel Byrne right one

3513
02:38:38,620 --> 02:38:36,290
of the greatest ever that has ever

3514
02:38:41,679 --> 02:38:38,630
graced any screen but that's the level

3515
02:38:44,200 --> 02:38:41,689
of what is happening here but Justin

3516
02:38:47,770 --> 02:38:44,210
Theroux just just amazing Sally Field

3517
02:38:49,090 --> 02:38:47,780
right I mean how so everybody just needs

3518
02:38:52,510 --> 02:38:49,100
to go and check this out there's a very

3519
02:38:58,029 --> 02:38:52,520
very amazing series maniac

3520
02:38:59,949 --> 02:38:58,039
now back to jock Valley there is okay

3521
02:39:03,550 --> 02:38:59,959
there everybody's listening live right

3522
02:39:08,349 --> 02:39:03,560
now but for those that are gonna listen

3523
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:08,359
later in in the archives Jacques Tali

3524
02:39:17,079 --> 02:39:11,930
made a series of interviews now I

3525
02:39:21,429 --> 02:39:17,089
believe it was with a university out of

3526
02:39:24,849 --> 02:39:21,439
San Francisco in the 80s and it looks

3527
02:39:28,239 --> 02:39:24,859
like so just go and and and check this

3528
02:39:32,800 --> 02:39:28,249
out and it was with I want to say the

3529
02:39:34,510 --> 02:39:32,810
professor's name was dr. love LOV e

3530
02:39:37,689 --> 02:39:34,520
again I could be wrong

3531
02:39:40,139 --> 02:39:37,699
I've watched him so many times but go

3532
02:39:44,409 --> 02:39:40,149
back and watch these and it's almost

3533
02:39:47,439 --> 02:39:44,419
public access television so you've got a

3534
02:39:51,130 --> 02:39:47,449
couple of chairs with a plant in the

3535
02:39:54,249 --> 02:39:51,140
middle right see you know stuff in the

3536
02:39:56,349 --> 02:39:54,259
background no set no nothing and it

3537
02:39:59,099 --> 02:39:56,359
looks like public access television

3538
02:40:02,439 --> 02:39:59,109
which it might have been I'm not so sure

3539
02:40:05,699 --> 02:40:02,449
but go back and there's a series and I

3540
02:40:09,010 --> 02:40:05,709
think they did probably six or ten

3541
02:40:10,689 --> 02:40:09,020
episodes we'll go back and watch these

3542
02:40:13,149 --> 02:40:10,699
first off the questions are really good

3543
02:40:16,329 --> 02:40:13,159
and dr. love whatever his name is is

3544
02:40:18,279 --> 02:40:16,339
really really really good but that's not

3545
02:40:20,469 --> 02:40:18,289
the point and you need to go watch it

3546
02:40:24,010 --> 02:40:20,479
because of Jacques Vallee and they're

3547
02:40:27,579 --> 02:40:24,020
incredible but the camera catches

3548
02:40:31,359 --> 02:40:27,589
Jacques in in these close-ups and you

3549
02:40:34,809 --> 02:40:31,369
get a chance to look in his eyes and so

3550
02:40:38,369 --> 02:40:34,819
when I say today that he's an et right

3551
02:40:42,159 --> 02:40:38,379
and I say it in jest I got all of that

3552
02:40:43,929 --> 02:40:42,169
from that public access interview series

3553
02:40:48,969 --> 02:40:43,939
that they did in the 80s and this is

3554
02:40:52,029 --> 02:40:48,979
probably 81 82 83 go and watch those

3555
02:40:56,769 --> 02:40:52,039
it's an incredible series and and go and

3556
02:40:58,749 --> 02:40:56,779
watch that and and don't tell me that

3557
02:41:01,809 --> 02:40:58,759
he's not an et because you can't do it

3558
02:41:03,819 --> 02:41:01,819
because he is and I said it to Jacque I

3559
02:41:05,380 --> 02:41:03,829
said it to him I wait you know I had an

3560
02:41:07,809 --> 02:41:05,390
opportunity to hang out with him

3561
02:41:10,059 --> 02:41:07,819
couple of times and contacting the

3562
02:41:12,429 --> 02:41:10,069
desert a couple of years ago and I asked

3563
02:41:14,920 --> 02:41:12,439
him about those series and I told him

3564
02:41:17,439 --> 02:41:14,930
about his eyes back then and he just

3565
02:41:21,820 --> 02:41:17,449
laughed about it but if you get a chance

3566
02:41:23,860 --> 02:41:21,830
just go and and and seek out that series

3567
02:41:27,610 --> 02:41:23,870
that that he did back then in the 80s

3568
02:41:38,710 --> 02:41:27,620
okay so would you think about Barry

3569
02:41:41,370 --> 02:41:38,720
Barry Barry Horowitz Mitch Horowitz

3570
02:41:45,280 --> 02:41:41,380
would you think about that a view

3571
02:41:49,599 --> 02:41:45,290
followed Mitch in the past I've never

3572
02:41:51,550 --> 02:41:49,609
heard of him I haven't and so I'm going

3573
02:41:53,080 --> 02:41:51,560
to check out his website because you

3574
02:41:55,630 --> 02:41:53,090
know if he does readings and all that

3575
02:41:57,070 --> 02:41:55,640
stuff that really interests me and I'm

3576
02:41:58,570 --> 02:41:57,080
not I've never really been into the

3577
02:42:00,040 --> 02:41:58,580
tarot cards either so everything you

3578
02:42:02,229 --> 02:42:00,050
guys are talking about was I was just

3579
02:42:03,670 --> 02:42:02,239
trying to pay attention and visualize

3580
02:42:06,240 --> 02:42:03,680
everything and guys are talking about

3581
02:42:08,889 --> 02:42:06,250
because yeah I've never been into Tarot

3582
02:42:10,540 --> 02:42:08,899
so just kind of listening trying to

3583
02:42:12,219 --> 02:42:10,550
learn you know what y'all are talking

3584
02:42:14,590 --> 02:42:12,229
about all right so we got all of that

3585
02:42:17,800 --> 02:42:14,600
out of the way what's up with your pilot

3586
02:42:19,840 --> 02:42:17,810
friend okay so do going back to the

3587
02:42:22,479 --> 02:42:19,850
conversation we had last week where he

3588
02:42:24,610 --> 02:42:22,489
basically suggested you know that if

3589
02:42:26,110 --> 02:42:24,620
they're turning off telescopes it's

3590
02:42:29,170 --> 02:42:26,120
because they don't want us to see what's

3591
02:42:30,790 --> 02:42:29,180
up there and what if the technology went

3592
02:42:33,160 --> 02:42:30,800
down and then we'd be able to see stuff

3593
02:42:34,929 --> 02:42:33,170
so I grilled him for like half an hour

3594
02:42:37,269 --> 02:42:34,939
I'm amazed you know that he put up with

3595
02:42:39,790 --> 02:42:37,279
it and finally he said okay Debbie he

3596
02:42:41,530 --> 02:42:39,800
says everyone you know who's into this

3597
02:42:43,960 --> 02:42:41,540
stuff believes there's a secret space

3598
02:42:45,969 --> 02:42:43,970
force it's pretty widely known out there

3599
02:42:48,969 --> 02:42:45,979
he says am i implying that there's

3600
02:42:51,280 --> 02:42:48,979
something to keep us from seeing it yes

3601
02:42:53,349 --> 02:42:51,290
I am implying that and then he said so

3602
02:42:55,780 --> 02:42:53,359
if you want to talk conspiracy I said

3603
02:42:57,219 --> 02:42:55,790
well no this isn't a conspiracy topic he

3604
02:42:58,570 --> 02:42:57,229
could goes well let me let me just add

3605
02:43:01,149 --> 02:42:58,580
something under this because we just had

3606
02:43:03,760 --> 02:43:01,159
an anniversary of 9/11 he says and as a

3607
02:43:06,519 --> 02:43:03,770
pilot I can tell you a steel plane

3608
02:43:08,920 --> 02:43:06,529
cannot penetrate the Twin Towers and

3609
02:43:11,080 --> 02:43:08,930
it's just amazing to me how gullible and

3610
02:43:13,990 --> 02:43:11,090
stupid the public is just because they

3611
02:43:16,269 --> 02:43:14,000
see it on TV he says and that's all I'm

3612
02:43:18,040 --> 02:43:16,279
gonna say about that one too and I'm

3613
02:43:19,001 --> 02:43:18,050
like no you can't just say that and he

3614
02:43:20,591 --> 02:43:19,011
goes well you

3615
02:43:22,571 --> 02:43:20,601
you see all the stuff on YouTube you've

3616
02:43:24,671 --> 02:43:22,581
done the research he goes keep just keep

3617
02:43:26,861 --> 02:43:24,681
research and goes I don't have all the

3618
02:43:29,321 --> 02:43:26,871
answers I don't know he goes I just know

3619
02:43:31,661 --> 02:43:29,331
as a pilot I never heard of a plane that

3620
02:43:36,041 --> 02:43:31,671
can penetrate between towers he says

3621
02:43:39,761 --> 02:43:36,051
it's just it's ridiculous wait a minute

3622
02:43:42,581 --> 02:43:39,771
here even understand what he's

3623
02:43:45,191 --> 02:43:42,591
suggesting what does he suggest you be

3624
02:43:47,861 --> 02:43:45,201
suggesting that a plane the material in

3625
02:43:51,281 --> 02:43:47,871
the way a plane is built is not strong

3626
02:43:52,751 --> 02:43:51,291
enough to fly into the building if you

3627
02:43:55,270 --> 02:43:52,761
look at the videos it looks like it's

3628
02:43:57,011 --> 02:43:55,280
just cut through those towers like

3629
02:43:58,991 --> 02:43:57,021
butter it just slice it gives a wing

3630
02:44:01,001 --> 02:43:59,001
would break off something would break it

3631
02:44:04,991 --> 02:44:01,011
wouldn't just glide right into it and

3632
02:44:06,881 --> 02:44:05,001
then explode the way it did and he goes

3633
02:44:09,341 --> 02:44:06,891
look at the videos look at what you're

3634
02:44:11,201 --> 02:44:09,351
looking at he says you know I just he

3635
02:44:13,390 --> 02:44:11,211
says it's just an aegyo but what do you

3636
02:44:15,970 --> 02:44:13,400
think it was good I don't know it was he

3637
02:44:18,041 --> 02:44:15,980
goes maybe it was you know he goes I

3638
02:44:21,310 --> 02:44:18,051
can't elaborate cuz I don't know he goes

3639
02:44:23,321 --> 02:44:21,320
but you know maybe it was a drone with a

3640
02:44:25,421 --> 02:44:23,331
wings on it I don't know what they built

3641
02:44:27,821 --> 02:44:25,431
what they put in those towers he says

3642
02:44:30,281 --> 02:44:27,831
but I just you know the whole collapsing

3643
02:44:32,140 --> 02:44:30,291
whole bit he says it's just bull crap

3644
02:44:34,180 --> 02:44:32,150
he says if you want to you know talk

3645
02:44:35,560 --> 02:44:34,190
about can I said I don't want to talk

3646
02:44:37,600 --> 02:44:35,570
about conspiracy I want to hear what

3647
02:44:39,251 --> 02:44:37,610
you're saying you know right he was

3648
02:44:41,321 --> 02:44:39,261
employing the Strongs not he doesn't

3649
02:44:43,600 --> 02:44:41,331
please tell me flout saying a plane is

3650
02:44:45,821 --> 02:44:43,610
not strong enough to go through a

3651
02:44:49,091 --> 02:44:45,831
building to penetrate a building like

3652
02:44:51,371 --> 02:44:49,101
that a commercial airliner is not strong

3653
02:44:53,171 --> 02:44:51,381
enough to do that he says it goes go to

3654
02:44:55,301 --> 02:44:53,181
youtube and look at the way the planes

3655
02:44:57,970 --> 02:44:55,311
crash on the ground how they fall apart

3656
02:45:00,341 --> 02:44:57,980
and you're going to tell me that a plane

3657
02:45:02,850 --> 02:45:00,351
was able to just go through the building

3658
02:45:05,770 --> 02:45:02,860
like that without breaking apart

3659
02:45:07,901 --> 02:45:05,780
anyways in fact until it gets in there

3660
02:45:11,981 --> 02:45:07,911
and then it blows up because come on you

3661
02:45:14,491 --> 02:45:11,991
know well Deb all of that is interesting

3662
02:45:17,921 --> 02:45:14,501
to think about but then there's the

3663
02:45:21,941 --> 02:45:17,931
simple question of physics and weight

3664
02:45:23,770 --> 02:45:21,951
ratios in that if you have and I'm going

3665
02:45:27,520 --> 02:45:23,780
to talk something very basic and very

3666
02:45:29,650 --> 02:45:27,530
simple but if you have a car and you're

3667
02:45:33,310 --> 02:45:29,660
in a parking lot and

3668
02:45:37,930 --> 02:45:33,320
you're driving at two miles an hour and

3669
02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:37,940
you hit a pole you may not damage the

3670
02:45:44,761 --> 02:45:41,930
car you hit that pole at 50 miles an

3671
02:45:48,310 --> 02:45:44,771
hour and there's going to be some damage

3672
02:45:56,920 --> 02:45:48,320
now if you have something that is a

3673
02:45:58,330 --> 02:45:56,930
movable object let's say you set up it

3674
02:46:01,180 --> 02:45:58,340
doesn't even matter

3675
02:46:03,460 --> 02:46:01,190
something light that can move a bicycle

3676
02:46:06,011 --> 02:46:03,470
a baseball bat you base it you set it up

3677
02:46:07,900 --> 02:46:06,021
on the and you hit that at 1 mile an

3678
02:46:11,410 --> 02:46:07,910
hour it just falls over but if you hit

3679
02:46:13,690 --> 02:46:11,420
that at 50 miles an hour or 100 miles an

3680
02:46:17,500 --> 02:46:13,700
hour you've got something that cannot

3681
02:46:21,011 --> 02:46:17,510
normally damage a car creating extreme

3682
02:46:23,920 --> 02:46:21,021
damage and it's in now if we're talking

3683
02:46:26,440 --> 02:46:23,930
about 200 miles an hour 250 miles an

3684
02:46:30,341 --> 02:46:26,450
hour this plane that normally right

3685
02:46:32,410 --> 02:46:30,351
would crumple when it hits something but

3686
02:46:34,091 --> 02:46:32,420
you're you're now going at that kind of

3687
02:46:38,310 --> 02:46:34,101
force going into the side of the Bene

3688
02:46:41,440 --> 02:46:38,320
you know I don't know I don't it's I

3689
02:46:44,710 --> 02:46:41,450
don't know kinetic energy at those

3690
02:46:48,430 --> 02:46:44,720
speeds can cause a lot of damage that's

3691
02:46:52,810 --> 02:46:48,440
that's just me I don't know I don't know

3692
02:46:54,490 --> 02:46:52,820
the the pennant well the Pentagon on the

3693
02:46:56,530 --> 02:46:54,500
other hand where there isn't any winged

3694
02:46:59,650 --> 02:46:56,540
marks on the sides of the hole or

3695
02:47:04,570 --> 02:46:59,660
nothing really obviously out there where

3696
02:47:07,060 --> 02:47:04,580
I that I I question what what the issues

3697
02:47:08,770 --> 02:47:07,070
are there but you know I really don't

3698
02:47:12,160 --> 02:47:08,780
know but when we're talking about the

3699
02:47:13,680 --> 02:47:12,170
side of the of the World Trade Center if

3700
02:47:17,950 --> 02:47:13,690
we're getting into something else

3701
02:47:19,900 --> 02:47:17,960
conceptually a hologram or as some other

3702
02:47:22,360 --> 02:47:19,910
type of plane made out of another type

3703
02:47:24,511 --> 02:47:22,370
of material which this pilot is

3704
02:47:27,250 --> 02:47:24,521
suggesting I don't know we're getting

3705
02:47:29,230 --> 02:47:27,260
we're getting way out there in

3706
02:47:32,051 --> 02:47:29,240
conspiracy theories unless he knows

3707
02:47:33,160 --> 02:47:32,061
something that we don't but I don't know

3708
02:47:34,930 --> 02:47:33,170
Tim yeah

3709
02:47:36,790 --> 02:47:34,940
well and the other point he brought up

3710
02:47:40,690 --> 02:47:36,800
to me and I asked him because I had just

3711
02:47:42,370 --> 02:47:40,700
gone back on 9/11 matter of fact it was

3712
02:47:43,550 --> 02:47:42,380
the night of it was one of these nights

3713
02:47:45,290 --> 02:47:43,560
recently

3714
02:47:47,780 --> 02:47:45,300
and Mike Beres name came up and I

3715
02:47:49,099 --> 02:47:47,790
remember something coming up where one

3716
02:47:50,960 --> 02:47:49,109
time I heard you guys say just don't

3717
02:47:54,080 --> 02:47:50,970
talk about 9/11 so I went back and I

3718
02:47:55,819 --> 02:47:54,090
found the anniversary episode from 2014

3719
02:47:57,859 --> 02:47:55,829
a fade to black where Mike be recalled

3720
02:47:59,689 --> 02:47:57,869
in the show and he went at it with your

3721
02:48:01,609 --> 02:47:59,699
callers and so I listened to that whole

3722
02:48:03,889 --> 02:48:01,619
thing and I listened to it before I

3723
02:48:05,809 --> 02:48:03,899
talked to my friend and I brought up the

3724
02:48:08,870 --> 02:48:05,819
topic that some of the guys were saying

3725
02:48:11,210 --> 02:48:08,880
about the error ratio and being that low

3726
02:48:13,219 --> 02:48:11,220
in the air and at the plan that the

3727
02:48:14,899 --> 02:48:13,229
plane wouldn't be able to even fly that

3728
02:48:17,330 --> 02:48:14,909
low and I asked him about that goes it's

3729
02:48:19,189 --> 02:48:17,340
absolutely right because it would have

3730
02:48:21,530 --> 02:48:19,199
gone down it couldn't have maintained it

3731
02:48:23,479 --> 02:48:21,540
I go what about coming from up high and

3732
02:48:25,819 --> 02:48:23,489
then diving down he goes there's no way

3733
02:48:28,429 --> 02:48:25,829
a pilot would be able to do that it goes

3734
02:48:30,139 --> 02:48:28,439
even if it was remotely controlled the

3735
02:48:32,179 --> 02:48:30,149
plane was remotely controlled and it was

3736
02:48:34,069 --> 02:48:32,189
precise flying because the engines

3737
02:48:37,069 --> 02:48:34,079
aren't built that way weren't being able

3738
02:48:39,080 --> 02:48:37,079
to maintain that kind of airspeed at

3739
02:48:40,670 --> 02:48:39,090
that low of an altitude and go through

3740
02:48:43,309 --> 02:48:40,680
the building that's what he said he and

3741
02:48:44,780 --> 02:48:43,319
he believes that so again you know who

3742
02:48:46,609 --> 02:48:44,790
knows he says I mean I don't know this

3743
02:48:48,410 --> 02:48:46,619
is just what I know from being a pilot

3744
02:48:50,330 --> 02:48:48,420
all these years and what I understand he

3745
02:48:53,179 --> 02:48:50,340
goes if it's advanced craft or something

3746
02:48:55,219 --> 02:48:53,189
crazy that they use then they managed it

3747
02:48:57,710 --> 02:48:55,229
somehow but I know from my experience

3748
02:48:59,599 --> 02:48:57,720
you're saying that just he was pretty

3749
02:49:01,910 --> 02:48:59,609
open to talking about 9/11 because it's

3750
02:49:05,540 --> 02:49:01,920
been so long no what about I want to go

3751
02:49:08,660 --> 02:49:05,550
back to this space force what were his

3752
02:49:10,340 --> 02:49:08,670
comments on that okay so comments from

3753
02:49:12,200 --> 02:49:10,350
that were you know I think everyone

3754
02:49:14,120 --> 02:49:12,210
generally now that Trump's coming out

3755
02:49:16,460 --> 02:49:14,130
and saying there's going to be a space

3756
02:49:18,979 --> 02:49:16,470
for us he says I think the general

3757
02:49:21,769 --> 02:49:18,989
consensus is if it were divulged there's

3758
02:49:24,109 --> 02:49:21,779
a there's a secret you know technology

3759
02:49:25,969 --> 02:49:24,119
space force that we've had for years he

3760
02:49:27,889 --> 02:49:25,979
says which are always talking about he

3761
02:49:29,960 --> 02:49:27,899
goes I don't think it would be that wild

3762
02:49:32,359 --> 02:49:29,970
to suppose of that stuff exists so let's

3763
02:49:34,189 --> 02:49:32,369
just say that that generally exists he

3764
02:49:37,069 --> 02:49:34,199
says then yeah is there stuff up there

3765
02:49:38,540 --> 02:49:37,079
protecting you know and I keep saying

3766
02:49:41,599 --> 02:49:38,550
the word protecting that's the wrong one

3767
02:49:44,059 --> 02:49:41,609
keeping us from seeing it technology

3768
02:49:45,950 --> 02:49:44,069
gives then yeah there isn't something in

3769
02:49:48,620 --> 02:49:45,960
place keeping the earth from seeing it

3770
02:49:50,330 --> 02:49:48,630
sure if it's up there I said well are

3771
02:49:52,250 --> 02:49:50,340
you verifying that it's up there he says

3772
02:49:54,139 --> 02:49:52,260
yeah that's the kind of thing you know

3773
02:49:55,760 --> 02:49:54,149
that you have to suppose a few do you

3774
02:49:57,230 --> 02:49:55,770
believe it exists I said yeah I believe

3775
02:49:59,540 --> 02:49:57,240
there's advanced technology

3776
02:50:03,140 --> 02:49:59,550
a little there you go he says it's not

3777
02:50:05,030 --> 02:50:03,150
impossible to imagine that exists if it

3778
02:50:07,011 --> 02:50:05,040
exists and they don't want us to see it

3779
02:50:09,830 --> 02:50:07,021
then there's going to be something in

3780
02:50:12,711 --> 02:50:09,840
place for that yeah and so he kind of

3781
02:50:14,780 --> 02:50:12,721
admitted it without you know it was his

3782
02:50:17,211 --> 02:50:14,790
way of confirming it without saying yeah

3783
02:50:20,480 --> 02:50:17,221
I'm absolutely sure of it or I'm saying

3784
02:50:23,480 --> 02:50:20,490
yes but it was a generalization of you

3785
02:50:25,881 --> 02:50:23,490
know say well you know but it's not it's

3786
02:50:29,320 --> 02:50:25,891
not ridiculous to assume that that's in

3787
02:50:31,970 --> 02:50:29,330
place and that it does exist yeah today

3788
02:50:35,570 --> 02:50:31,980
ideally today I did an interview with

3789
02:50:37,881 --> 02:50:35,580
ransom Godwin who went up and shot that

3790
02:50:39,860 --> 02:50:37,891
video at the solar observatory I don't

3791
02:50:43,610 --> 02:50:39,870
know if it's gotten posted yet but but

3792
02:50:46,940 --> 02:50:43,620
I'd and in that conversation I had with

3793
02:50:52,301 --> 02:50:46,950
him today there's one there's one point

3794
02:50:58,700 --> 02:50:52,311
that I just can't get my head around and

3795
02:51:01,520 --> 02:50:58,710
that is the evacuation the uprooting of

3796
02:51:04,910 --> 02:51:01,530
families and employees vacating

3797
02:51:06,921 --> 02:51:04,920
everything forcing them to leave not

3798
02:51:09,171 --> 02:51:06,931
telling the law enforcement what is

3799
02:51:16,060 --> 02:51:09,181
going on putting up police tape across

3800
02:51:20,091 --> 02:51:16,070
their boarding houses and then allowing

3801
02:51:23,841 --> 02:51:20,101
ransom and others to go up there

3802
02:51:27,020 --> 02:51:23,851
walk around videotape but wait a minute

3803
02:51:29,720 --> 02:51:27,030
they just evacuated right and now

3804
02:51:31,310 --> 02:51:29,730
they're allowing anybody to just go up

3805
02:51:33,530 --> 02:51:31,320
there and to videotape the sheriff

3806
02:51:35,750 --> 02:51:33,540
didn't stop anybody they didn't have any

3807
02:51:37,970 --> 02:51:35,760
security up there but it was important

3808
02:51:40,660 --> 02:51:37,980
enough to evacuate everybody to get out

3809
02:51:46,091 --> 02:51:40,670
of there and this is that there's that

3810
02:51:50,690 --> 02:51:46,101
but that apparently they want us to

3811
02:51:55,720 --> 02:51:50,700
believe that it was child pornography

3812
02:51:58,250 --> 02:51:55,730
now when when I take that as a whole

3813
02:52:01,580 --> 02:51:58,260
right and I just look at the whole big

3814
02:52:07,430 --> 02:52:01,590
picture and that child pornography the

3815
02:52:08,000 --> 02:52:07,440
FBI that is why the the University that

3816
02:52:10,849 --> 02:52:08,010
runs the

3817
02:52:14,450 --> 02:52:10,859
program up there hora thought that it

3818
02:52:17,420 --> 02:52:14,460
was so important that child pornography

3819
02:52:19,429 --> 02:52:17,430
was a threat which it is but a physical

3820
02:52:22,250 --> 02:52:19,439
threat that you have to bring in the FBI

3821
02:52:26,110 --> 02:52:22,260
Blackhawk helicopters evacuate the

3822
02:52:29,179 --> 02:52:26,120
entire place and and board up windows

3823
02:52:34,460 --> 02:52:29,189
because not know that in its child

3824
02:52:38,150 --> 02:52:34,470
pornography something the something is

3825
02:52:41,809 --> 02:52:38,160
not right something is something is not

3826
02:52:45,320 --> 02:52:41,819
ready but and and the media was all into

3827
02:52:47,929 --> 02:52:45,330
this story when it was aliens and an

3828
02:52:49,849 --> 02:52:47,939
evacuation and a security risk and

3829
02:52:52,309 --> 02:52:49,859
nobody's talking about it so that

3830
02:52:55,610 --> 02:52:52,319
deserved media coverage and and

3831
02:52:58,130 --> 02:52:55,620
everybody covered it but as soon as the

3832
02:53:02,630 --> 02:52:58,140
child pornography issue was brought up

3833
02:53:05,780 --> 02:53:02,640
it's a non-issue and and ransom told me

3834
02:53:11,210 --> 02:53:05,790
today that CNN called him for an

3835
02:53:13,760 --> 02:53:11,220
interview okay and and an hour later the

3836
02:53:16,820 --> 02:53:13,770
press release comes out that is child

3837
02:53:20,690 --> 02:53:16,830
pornography and CNN called him back and

3838
02:53:22,429 --> 02:53:20,700
said it's a non-story we're not gonna

3839
02:53:25,639 --> 02:53:22,439
interview you and it's like wait a

3840
02:53:29,330 --> 02:53:25,649
minute now if you want to squash the

3841
02:53:31,429 --> 02:53:29,340
story make it child pornography nobody's

3842
02:53:33,440 --> 02:53:31,439
been arrested by the way I thought that

3843
02:53:35,330 --> 02:53:33,450
the last time that anybody was ever

3844
02:53:37,550 --> 02:53:35,340
accused of child pornography they're

3845
02:53:39,950 --> 02:53:37,560
immediately in jail their computers are

3846
02:53:42,800 --> 02:53:39,960
seized and charges are brought forward

3847
02:53:45,889 --> 02:53:42,810
and everybody is involved here IP

3848
02:53:49,219 --> 02:53:45,899
addresses or chase down and all of this

3849
02:53:53,719 --> 02:53:49,229
you know none of that has happened right

3850
02:53:56,030 --> 02:53:53,729
but now CNN has made it a non-story and

3851
02:54:00,410 --> 02:53:56,040
that's what they told they literally

3852
02:54:03,920 --> 02:54:00,420
told them it's a it's done so how

3853
02:54:07,099 --> 02:54:03,930
successful is that to squash the reasons

3854
02:54:10,070 --> 02:54:07,109
for this evacuation you know and it is

3855
02:54:12,769 --> 02:54:10,080
it's it's mind-blowing to me I cannot

3856
02:54:17,960 --> 02:54:12,779
get my my head around this but nobody

3857
02:54:21,080 --> 02:54:17,970
wants to talk yes and nobody wants to

3858
02:54:22,220 --> 02:54:21,090
nobody wants to talk about it now I am

3859
02:54:27,950 --> 02:54:22,230
blown

3860
02:54:29,570 --> 02:54:27,960
have members in this community that want

3861
02:54:32,060 --> 02:54:29,580
to get to the bottom of the story and

3862
02:54:35,420 --> 02:54:32,070
they will they're not gonna just just

3863
02:54:38,180 --> 02:54:35,430
because the government wants to just

3864
02:54:40,520 --> 02:54:38,190
have this all go away that it does I

3865
02:54:43,310 --> 02:54:40,530
don't think it will and I think that we

3866
02:54:46,190 --> 02:54:43,320
will find out exactly what what happened

3867
02:54:47,750 --> 02:54:46,200
up there this is so the movie contact

3868
02:54:52,610 --> 02:54:47,760
it's not even funny

3869
02:54:54,920 --> 02:54:52,620
you know I knew I knew Deb that when

3870
02:54:56,570 --> 02:54:54,930
when a situation like this was going to

3871
02:54:59,360 --> 02:54:56,580
arise and I'm talking about a radio

3872
02:55:02,030 --> 02:54:59,370
telescope an observatory something like

3873
02:55:04,040 --> 02:55:02,040
this goes down and the man comes in and

3874
02:55:07,730 --> 02:55:04,050
shuts down everything that this is how

3875
02:55:11,600 --> 02:55:07,740
the story would play out and it did it's

3876
02:55:13,520 --> 02:55:11,610
so textbook you know and and we've got

3877
02:55:16,670 --> 02:55:13,530
to get to the bottom of it I I don't

3878
02:55:19,790 --> 02:55:16,680
want to let this go I really really

3879
02:55:20,030 --> 02:55:19,800
don't there's something happened up

3880
02:55:21,500 --> 02:55:20,040
there

3881
02:55:23,210 --> 02:55:21,510
we're not gonna let it go you know it's

3882
02:55:24,710 --> 02:55:23,220
funny you keep mentioning contact us on

3883
02:55:26,390 --> 02:55:24,720
my favorite movie so I always notice

3884
02:55:28,940 --> 02:55:26,400
when it's on TV and they've been airing

3885
02:55:30,920 --> 02:55:28,950
it like three or four days out of the

3886
02:55:32,660 --> 02:55:30,930
week through last week through this week

3887
02:55:35,270 --> 02:55:32,670
and they just keep showing it over and

3888
02:55:36,620 --> 02:55:35,280
over on one of the main cable stations

3889
02:55:39,260 --> 02:55:36,630
it's almost like they just want to put

3890
02:55:40,880 --> 02:55:39,270
in your face and make you think yeah

3891
02:55:42,800 --> 02:55:40,890
yeah yeah they always say when the

3892
02:55:45,020 --> 02:55:42,810
Illuminati does something the rules are

3893
02:55:46,040 --> 02:55:45,030
that David Wilcock talks about it that

3894
02:55:47,600 --> 02:55:46,050
when they do it they hit one of the

3895
02:55:49,190 --> 02:55:47,610
rules is they have to show you what

3896
02:55:51,260 --> 02:55:49,200
they're doing but not tell you but show

3897
02:55:53,750 --> 02:55:51,270
you in a way or put messages out there

3898
02:55:57,980 --> 02:55:53,760
and they keep showing that movie they

3899
02:56:01,070 --> 02:55:57,990
they wanted this is this is this is I

3900
02:56:04,730 --> 02:56:01,080
think the the point that is so important

3901
02:56:08,570 --> 02:56:04,740
they wanted somebody like ransom to go

3902
02:56:13,600 --> 02:56:08,580
up on that hill to videotape to see that

3903
02:56:17,390 --> 02:56:13,610
x-files DVD and to to get this story out

3904
02:56:19,310 --> 02:56:17,400
they that that's what they wanted they

3905
02:56:22,760 --> 02:56:19,320
wanted people across that police tape

3906
02:56:25,160 --> 02:56:22,770
they wanted this evacuation and the FBI

3907
02:56:27,560 --> 02:56:25,170
and the Solar Observatory and the Black

3908
02:56:30,350 --> 02:56:27,570
Hawk helicopters and the silence and the

3909
02:56:33,170 --> 02:56:30,360
security issues to get out as a story

3910
02:56:34,030 --> 02:56:33,180
and they were successful in that why

3911
02:56:37,480 --> 02:56:34,040
have

3912
02:56:39,550 --> 02:56:37,490
x-files DVD on a compound that was

3913
02:56:41,290 --> 02:56:39,560
evacuated the windows boarded up and

3914
02:56:43,330 --> 02:56:41,300
sanitized and clean and mopped

3915
02:56:44,620 --> 02:56:43,340
everything that they did up there but

3916
02:56:47,110 --> 02:56:44,630
they turn around and leave an x-files

3917
02:56:49,420 --> 02:56:47,120
DVD at the top of the trash can at the

3918
02:56:52,750 --> 02:56:49,430
window where everybody's gonna look in

3919
02:56:54,940 --> 02:56:52,760
and see it it's like come on you know

3920
02:56:58,300 --> 02:56:54,950
and that's exactly how it played out

3921
02:56:59,650 --> 02:56:58,310
all right Deb thank you so much and I'll

3922
02:57:01,000 --> 02:56:59,660
see you tomorrow night on the show

3923
02:57:03,400 --> 02:57:01,010
always a great phone call

3924
02:57:05,800 --> 02:57:03,410
absolutely hey real quick tucker carlson

3925
02:57:07,420 --> 02:57:05,810
just covered this again last friday

3926
02:57:09,340 --> 02:57:07,430
talked about the story need to throw the

3927
02:57:11,020 --> 02:57:09,350
pedophilia in and he was questioning all

3928
02:57:12,910 --> 02:57:11,030
of it and saying we're going to get to

3929
02:57:15,250 --> 02:57:12,920
the bottom of this this story isn't over

3930
02:57:17,530 --> 02:57:15,260
and he had just broadcast it after last

3931
02:57:19,600 --> 02:57:17,540
Thursday's show so hopefully he won't

3932
02:57:24,150 --> 02:57:19,610
drop it yeah maybe I got to get Tucker

3933
02:57:27,820 --> 02:57:24,160
on this show that's that's not about it

3934
02:57:32,670 --> 02:57:27,830
thank you so much Deb can I do

3935
02:57:34,930 --> 02:57:32,680
thank you Michael thank you I the the

3936
02:57:38,770 --> 02:57:34,940
situation up in the National Solar

3937
02:57:42,340 --> 02:57:38,780
Observatory I cannot believe it happened

3938
02:57:44,860 --> 02:57:42,350
just like it did I mean just spot on the

3939
02:57:47,761 --> 02:57:44,870
money all the way down it's it's an

3940
02:57:50,170 --> 02:57:47,771
unbelievable situation to me you know

3941
02:57:52,210 --> 02:57:50,180
evacuating the compound boarding up

3942
02:57:54,610 --> 02:57:52,220
windows putting up please tape and then

3943
02:57:56,530 --> 02:57:54,620
not having security there the sheriff

3944
02:57:58,030 --> 02:57:56,540
doesn't stop ransom or anybody else he

3945
02:58:00,780 --> 02:57:58,040
turns around in his car he allows

3946
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:00,790
videotape to go up there and and

3947
02:58:06,850 --> 02:58:04,010
everything played out like it did and

3948
02:58:08,770 --> 02:58:06,860
ransom walks up with his son looks in

3949
02:58:10,030 --> 02:58:08,780
the window and there's an x-files DVD in

3950
02:58:13,270 --> 02:58:10,040
the top of the trash can

3951
02:58:16,240 --> 02:58:13,280
now they wanted that that part of the

3952
02:58:18,670 --> 02:58:16,250
story to get out it's exactly what they

3953
02:58:21,820 --> 02:58:18,680
wanted to have happen and in the end

3954
02:58:24,940 --> 02:58:21,830
after everything goes down they want to

3955
02:58:28,780 --> 02:58:24,950
say it was child pornography and the

3956
02:58:31,480 --> 02:58:28,790
Wi-Fi network no I'm just I'm I'm not

3957
02:58:34,660 --> 02:58:31,490
I'm not buying it and we've got to this

3958
02:58:38,230 --> 02:58:34,670
this this community of ours has got to

3959
02:58:41,350 --> 02:58:38,240
stay part of stay a part of this story

3960
02:58:44,770 --> 02:58:41,360
we have to that's just the way that it

3961
02:58:47,350 --> 02:58:44,780
is I've got to thank Mitch Horowitz what

3962
02:58:49,780 --> 02:58:47,360
an amazing conversation tonight it is

3963
02:58:52,240 --> 02:58:49,790
Horowitz dot-com and he's going to be

3964
02:58:54,940 --> 02:58:52,250
out here in Los Angeles at the end of

3965
02:58:56,650 --> 02:58:54,950
October so go over to his Twitter feed

3966
02:58:59,200 --> 02:58:56,660
I'll get everything out over the next

3967
02:59:01,030 --> 02:58:59,210
few days too as well where he is going

3968
02:59:02,560 --> 02:59:01,040
to be speaking and we're gonna be there

3969
02:59:06,160 --> 02:59:02,570
so come and hang out with all of us

3970
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that tomorrow night all of his documents

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that just revealed that he found on the

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Japan Airlines UFO incident up in Alaska

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